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New Tactic: Base Isolation

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244798.17 in reply to 244798.12
Date: 6/25/2013 10:46:30 AM
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Ok, so what if I have a PG with 10 IS (which I have)? Why doesn't he receive the ball in the paint or take position in low post, trying to exploit a mismatch? The point is: I expect someone (whoever he is) to be ISOLATED for an inside shot. I expect big men to be isolated the most, and it's not happening apparently. I expect even PGs/SGs to be isolated below... but apparently even this doesn't really happen. I do understand that not every possess can be turned into an inside isolation, but seriously... 15/20 threes? 6mt jump shots? I don't know... I need to play this more (or see this played) because it doesn't seem right to me.


Because that's not what the isolation offenses are about. If anything, I imagine he'd have a better shot at getting inside shots in a low post offense (though I've only got anecdotal evidence so I won't claim that for certain). But the isolation in general and inside isolation in particular, as defined in the manual:


Isolation offenses: The team will try to find their best offensive player and clear out an area for him to create his own shot. There are two types of isolation offenses:

Inside Isolation: Your team finds their best inside scorer. Normal Pace.


So I imagine what is happening is that one of your big men with greater IS is getting dumped the ball and then he's expected to create his own offense, or, failing that, dumps it back out for a desperation shot. I ran it a couple of times several seasons ago with a center who had decent handling and passing (respectable for both) but atrocious driving. It didn't seem to be very effective at all. Ran it once last season in a PL game without any real inside scoring bigs (my trainee was playing C probably was at 9 IS, my SF at the time was at 8, and had some sprinkled in on the guards) but the trainee had driving as well as better handling and passing. It was moderately successful - still didn't see the assist totals from the C as I expected but it was a single game.

In any case, if you want the ball to be dumped down low, you probably want low post. If you want guards trying to drive it down low and dish it to your inside guys or shoot themselves, you use LI. If you want to get it to a single guy who can create shots on his own, you use the isolation.

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244798.19 in reply to 244798.18
Date: 7/10/2013 9:48:43 AM
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I've come to believe that maybe inside isolation is what he's looking for.

I do think that its game manual description is "half true". Meaning that it will look for the best inside scorer, but NOT as in straight IS rating of an individual player, but mainly as "offensive player's IS vs defensive player's ID" ratio, for all the match ups on the floor.

For instance, if my C has 10 IS and is stuck up against an opponent that is 13 ID, but at the same time my PG is 7 IS defended by a 1 ID counterpart, its very likely that PG will end up taking more of the (close range)shots.

Take a look at this game:

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Visiting team (A) costs less than home team's (B) starting Center(71k).
Team A decides to play inside isolation! Their C is their most expensive player, but only 12k salary.
Team A ends up winning(indifferent), with starting PG and backup PG being 1-2 in most attempted 2pt shots, followed by SG and C that had the same.
At the viewer we also see that 50% of ther made 2p shots were scored in the paint.

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244798.20 in reply to 244798.1
Date: 8/11/2013 1:04:08 AM
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I say we fix the half of the tactics that are currently not working correctly first. It amazes me just how many do not seem to work as intended.