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Agreed on #2...and #1, but if you believed that you could not beat the US or Chile in a potential semi matchup doesnt that narrow it down to only one choice. Try to get in the same group as both teams and use more effort to upset one of those teams and reach the semi vs some team like Uruguay or Colombia. It was like you guys decided from the beginning that you were screwed either way and just walked right into it.

It was more like, we just decided to save up enthusiasm and give it our best shot, but I can see the argument here. Either way I dont think we could have done it because im sure Chile and USA would have at least normalled us, and a CT would ruin our enthusiasm for the SF.

Really bballin? Buddy (I'm not your buddy guy!!) you were rubbing it my face last election thread that your goal for Canada NT last term was to 1) reach the Worlds, 2) win some second round games and even reach the World semi, and 3) beat the US again. Not only did none of those happen, you basically admit that it was never going to happen and that a good consos finish was the best Canada NT could do? You set yourself up for failure last election thread, and now that you did inevitably did fail you are making excuses instead of just owning it.

Canada did the best we could have done considering the schedules we got. Lets say we draw Ukraine or Hrvatska or even Portugal and we win our repechage group and head to worlds. Chile and USA were just better than us. A couple shots this way, a bounce or two in our favour and we could have beaten Chile, a 5 point loss is nothing to scoff at. We went 22-4 the past two seasons and only one of those losses was a winnable game and that was the first round loss to Colombia that had no effect on the rest of my two seasons.

I think it is good question to you. If you are not happy with results and you don't know what to do better, in my opinion you aren't good candidate to lead NT. You don't give any hope for progress with such thinking.

My point was that there really wasnt anything more we could have done. 22-4, 5 point loss to Chile, 3 point loss to Spain, crushed by Slovensko and a loss that was my fault against Colombia. Even if we beat Colombia the result is the same.

This is a debate, where people want to learn about what Youll do and how Youll do it. Not to say, look at what ive done. They want You to tell them. So answering questions, with questions isnt going to help Your case.

Also if you were so keen on becoming a part of Canadas NT staff, You would have taken an interest and even participated in the forums these past two seasons. Not just show up come election time.

Also if you were so keen on becoming a part of Canadas NT staff, You would have taken an interest and even participated in the forums these past two seasons. Not just show up come election time.

In fairness, I don't think it's easy to get involved in NT discussions without knowing the skills of the players. And if he did contact you to get involved, I think at the very least you should have asked the off-site forum if he should be given access.

I agree with one part of your post, that NT manager should be involved in the community and teams should be able to ask him questions and ask for advice (maybe not even him directly, but the staff built around NT), but I think second part of your post is nonsense. NT elections is about choosing the best manager available, that is able to bring most skill and biggest success for NT. We have a group of active Canadian managers that will always answer questions on a forum, but for that to happen the new players must actually post them

I was dissapointed as well that kozlik dissapeared from forums after election loss, but if it is true that he wanted access to offsite forum and wasnt granted it then I think Fresh has a point. Esoecially since on this forum about as much information as saying "Lineup and tactics posted off-site, please join the discussion" was given.

kozlik: although I agree that not everything could be shared to entire community, at least our schedule is up now so maybe you can give your thoughts about it?

The best we can do is stay in constant contact with managers of our 22-25 year old guards in order to ensure that they can take the reigns from our 30+ yo guards right now. Although I think Stronks can play until he is 34/35 same with Stavridis and Kearns. Fortunately we have Ferguson who is with the Quebec Pugs, and receiving great training, Macindeor who is on Kumikos team and being trained well, Guevin on Laval Giants who is becoming an amazing guard, Hernandez who just finished his U21 career and has a manager determined to get him on the NT and then at age 19 we have Jarvis who is in beanerz hands and hopefully becomes something special. So those players being in good Canadian situations means less constant communication required. We also have Chacon who us hopefully bought into another good situation. I think Canada will pull through.

If those 3 guards are still a major part of the team at age 34-35 then the NT will be in deep trouble at that point. EAK is the best SF in Canada history and even he slipped to an extremely low level by the end of his age 34 season. Players don't all slide at the same rate but you don't want ever to be in a position where you're relying on 34 and 35 year olds.

Chacon who you mentioned isn't even in the ballpark of Stav and Stonks. Nice enough player but he's got very weak cross skills. He doesn't look any better than Lentz who was probably the 12th man last season and could have been easily replaced by 5-6 other guards.

We've got some excellent age 22 SF prospects but who are the top age 22-24 guards? We need to find a way to get these players in the hands of some top Canadian trainers like Rip.

Last edited by Beener not Beanerz at 9/20/2013 4:12:55 PM

Getting players in the ballpark of Stav and Stronks is of course the goal, but that is some exclusive company. Stronks is arguably the best guard in BB now and possibly ever. Stavridis is at least one of the top 25 guards in BB. We were blessed to have all these guards at around the same time, but the reality is having all the chips fall in place like that again will be difficult and unlikely. Chacon is good enough to contribute to Canadas NT another season or two of training and he will be ready to take a larger role when the Big Three have to step back. Also I never said that they would be huge parts of the NT at ages 34/35. I would expect that Kearns would probably get left off the team in his age 34 season, 34/35 yeat old Stronks and Stav being our 5th/6th guards would be great in my opinion.

At 26 we have Chacon
25 we have Guevin and Ferguson
22-24 there is Macindeor and Hernandez.
Way back at 19 is Jarvis.

Thin, I know, but there are also other 18-21 year old MVP+ guards being trained that im excited about.

While I am always up for fresh blood I have yet to hear you make a single comment about how you would improve the Canadian NT program.

I too have a fairly decent BB history and have proven that I can win at all levels including the NT. That does not however make me the best candidate or even a candidate at all. Our past is great but to convince Canadians you are worthy of votes you are going to need to lay out you plan in detail for people to determine if it is rubbish or something we want to explore further.

The other candidates including Bballin have proven track records within Canada and have also been involved in conversations about how things could change under their control.

No offence but your interest in managing our NT does not seem genuine at all, therefor until you prove otherwise you have absolutely zero chance at gaining my vote.

Vote to keep Canada in control of Canada, Bballin for Manager!

Last edited by Mod-beanerz at 9/20/2013 9:23:47 PM

Ok now, bringing nationality into it is stepping a bit low. Lets keep discussion clean and choose the manager that can bring highest amount of success. Although I agree with you that without laying out a plan and sharing at least a bit of knowledge already at this point this election is a lost cause for kozlik. If there can be found mistakes in past seasons (not doing anything to avoid a team with HCA is a legit one but it doesnt outshines the overall great job that bbalin made). Also, not allowing to have access to off-site is pretty much a red light because it doesnt allow manager to participate in discussions about NT. That bit (if it's true, maybe bbalin can refer to that and explain reasoning?) is what got me worried because thats just playing dirty.

So what I would like to see before making a choice, and what I think would help others make educated decission is:
- finding ways how past seaons could be played out better
- Bbalin refering to accusation about not letting his election-rival have access to off-site forum
- kozlik actually drawing up a plan and explainging it to Canadian community instead of just relying on past success

I for one will be making my decission based on plans that NT-managers show, not on the past record (netiher Bbalin's nor kozlik's) and would be glad if other did the same