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it is a bit offtopic, but i have to admit that i am pleased to see, a) that the BB-staff is willing and capable to make these changes we have seen the last couple of seasons and b) with the way you are open to discussion, new suggestions and how you are trying to explain your motives.

Even if i was sceptical with several Points and Details, I think you are doing a good Job (significantly better then when i started playing this game for the first time (~seasons 17)

@Ogi: We didn't think we need to put the 100% number beside the old training types, but if other users think it's necessary, it's not hard to do. Also, if you're confused, ask, that's why we're here.

The question is whether it will be said straightforward how much slower players train due to two position training instead of the optimal one position. We know now - based on statistics - that for example training IS on positions PF/C is somewhere around 70%-80% of the speed with one position training. If we were given this information than we would be able to make decision on whether we are training two positions or one (not optimal) position - with consequences known.

Now most things regarding training is based on an estimation. However with this new feature that rule is removed to some extend. Will you be willing to unveil also a little bit concerning training on one position/two/three/team ?

And I disagree with your prognosis - I think many managers will use it.

Of course - it will be used out of curiosity. We are curious people. We will test it, try it, and then you will change the numbers (or change + hide) and we will test it and try it once again. Supporters will have the opportunity to try it in the team they care less about - Utopia or the regular one without possible negative consequences.

Don't get me wrong - I am very pleased with this training adjustment - but I believe also, that the disadvantage in training speed should be smaller - to make it in the middle of the gap between one position training/two positions/three/team. If for example team training gives 50% of one position training than training out of position should be closer to 75% than 50%.

@Ogi: We didn't think we need to put the 100% number beside the old training types, but if other users think it's necessary, it's not hard to do. Also, if you're confused, ask, that's why we're here.

if you train pressing on position PG and you wrote that same training for position SG is 80% of that traing, than on position SF 70% of that training and so on-what is procentage on dual position PG/SG compared to basic training on one position PG ???
That was mine question-not why is not written number 100% beside old basic trainig :-)
And that is very important thing to know becouse if that procentage is 75% that makes bit difference considering for example pressing on position SF (70%)


Last edited by Ogi at 10/23/2014 8:22:12 AM

Thanks for clearing that up. I was kind of thinking it was that all 3 were 100% (compared to 1 position) towards one training but i knew that was wrong. Thanks.

@jonte: Thanks for the kind words, I appreciate them and will try to improve the communication aspect even further. I promised to try and be better and these are the results.

We know now - based on statistics - that for example training IS on positions PF/C is somewhere around 70%-80% of the speed with one position training. If we were given this information than we would be able to make decision on whether we are training two positions or one (not optimal) position - with consequences known.

@picia and Ogi: We don't want to reveal everything. It is up to you, the players to figure out the numbers, not on us to just reveal everything, what fun would that be? No fun! Training analysis is a part of the game, and we refuse to just give it up. Btw, it was my initiative to reveal these percentages, but in the original idea we didn't plan to disclose them. What would you say then?

Training analysis is a part of the game, and we refuse to just give it up. Btw, it was my initiative to reveal these percentages, but in the original idea we didn't plan to disclose them. What would you say then?

Than I would say that the rules remained unchanged. Everything would be new to discover. That is why I was surprised, that we knew the numbers this time. That left the situation where the results were certain on one side (out of position), but not the other (multi-position). I gave it a shot ;)...

Keep on the good job, as the game has changed while I'm playing it a lot and hardly always in good direction (in my opinion). Inside tactics are not so dominant, overspending made harder and balanced growth is rewarded.

Training analysis is a part of the game, and we refuse to just give it up.

Than without that information this new stuff in training has no practical use for good training..maybe only Jump on SF/PF for outside players is something that we can use in practice-... thanks for answering ;)

Last edited by Ogi at 10/23/2014 9:31:45 AM

Until now, I still don't get why training alone (against a wall) in passing trains faster than training in tandem

It's not with a wall. Single position you throw the ball to a coach, who tells you what you did right or wrong and you get the next ball from the rack. Two position means you throw the ball to a teammate, who tells you what you did right or wrong, and then wait for him to throw it back and tell him what he did right or wrong. Anything you can do, two can do slower! ;)

I like this addition - it could make training a little bit more fun.