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Thank you for this response. That is what I wanted. I do understand what you are saying, I just don't agree with some of them.

I admitted, I hadn't thought it through all the way..didn't I? Very first line of this thread. You throw ideas around...and it sparks more and most of the time, better ideas.

About managers having a clue. Once you are at the top...you dont have to have as much of a clue to stay there. That is a flaw. Sort of like..once you are in..you are in. Someday..I will be there...5-6-7 years? sure..I understand that. I don't get frustrated with not having instant gratification. Nothing to do with me personally anyway...so please keep it that way.

I knew my idea wasn't good...I know that. The main point is the current one is not good either, and just wanted to throw some stuff out there to spring board. I even said in the first post "Example...not to be taken literally."

Offering some ideas is better than moaning with no ideas. But you are on me because my ideas happen to not work. Ok fine. I get it...But you get my point....the current system does not work. So thank you.

I guess the fact people talk about it means it is pretty good. When there is controversy ...usually means it is "give or take a few" right?

Thanks again for the thought out response. That is all I ask for from a GM. I can get BS from anyone.

Here's my suggestion:
You can play TIE for 5 games and then your enthusiasm fall to 5 and stay (playing TIE,not CT) there for 1 or 2 games. You just simply run out of gas. You can still choose what games are more important for your team and your are forced to make some more difficult decisions. But it's still interesting and playable. What do you thunk?

PS: @ GM-kozlodoev
I know that you may know everything that can be known about BB, but please stop being...well, harsh? Maybe even arrogant? I find your discussions very on-topic, based on rules and logical thinking and you are usually right. But can you just chill out a little bit? Nothing personal, just sayin' you need to relax sometimes as long as guys just want to discuss (sometimes knowing that they're not right).

Last edited by piotras at 6/18/2009 6:45:01 PM

PS: @ GM-kozlodoev
I know that you may know everything that can be known about BB, but please stop being...well, harsh? Maybe even arrogant? I find your discussions very on-topic, based on rules and logical thinking and you are usually right. But can you just chill out a little bit? Nothing personal, just sayin' you need to relax sometimes as long as guys just want to discuss (sometimes knowing that they're not right).

I didn't necessarily mean it to come out this way. I certainly don't know everything about BB, but I do have strong opinions for most things. I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone here.

I know you don't want to offend anyone, but your post's reader may have that feeling. It's just a style of writing that might be seen as I would describe as "strict teacher", you know? How many of us liked them? And yes,you know everything that can be known as a not-BB crew member :)))

Last edited by piotras at 6/18/2009 7:07:19 PM

No worries guys. It is good to be passionate like GM Kozlodoev. I would rather have that than someone who doesn't explain why or someone who doesn't talk at all. There is no reason to be personal if you disagree with them. What is half-baked to you, could be personal opinion, me being ignorant, good, bad, awful ..etc. Just ideas being thrown around. That is how one comes up with anything.

Which leads to Piotras3, who without this thread for me, would not have told me his good idea (see what I mean?)

I do like Piotras3's suggestion to limit the amount of times you can TIE. Without re-inventing the wheel and messing with too much development, could be something great to look at.

I like discussions like these as long as I don't get attacked! hahaha. I read forums all the time searching for things. In all honesty, best fantasy sports I have been involved in!

What I am hoping (and I don't think this to be the case) is that things are not implemented because "it takes too much work" or "too much time" even if it could be better. I work for a company that does things out of fear like that and it is disappointing. So far ...really ...this site is an absolute "A" for a grade. If you want me to list the reasons why, I will ...but I want to make sure you know this is more minor ...as the good is the major.

Cheers

I do like Piotras3's suggestion to limit the amount of times you can TIE. Without re-inventing the wheel and messing with too much development, could be something great to look at.

The problem I have with this one is that any number of TIEs picked will be arbitrary, and there is no good way to decide how many is the right number, and why.

Suggestion for Enthusiasm:

As someone who has played basketball most of my life (up to college). I find the enthusiasm element a little too powerful. When basketball teams play each other, they don't go out and take it easy to try and rest. I can't remember ever having a coach say: "Guys, let's not play hard this game because our next game is really important, and we need to save ourselves to try and win it." It doesn't seem realistic.

However, I do think it adds some more strategy to the game. If I were changing it, I would first reduce t he effect of enthusiasm on the games.

I think the enthusiasm needs to be tied with winning. As a player I can't see how I get more enthiastic after I get blown out by 40 points when my team TIEs. I would say keep it the same, but add the element of winning or losing to influence how much the enthusiasm moves. For instance if I TIE a game and win, my number moves just like it does today, but if I lose my game, it moves up half as much. Same with CT. If I win, My enthusiasm will move down less.

I don't know if this is perfect, but whatever is done, it needs to have a little less effect on the games outcome.

Just my .02 worth

but in this case, the tie think is really advancing just for the strongest team. It's really a bit weird how it works, but i think to take it away won't give it more tactical deep like diggler said i would say it takes the main part of it out of the game.

So I challenge you and everyone who is interested in this topic to come up with an idea that can reform the enthusiasm in a way in which there will be an incentive for people to stick to Normal most of the time, with a handful of TIEs and CTs per season.

My opinion is that the upside of the feature is too big now. That is, you're able to "build enthusiasm" too far from the normal level of 5, thus making it possible to TIE vs CT and still come out on top enthusiasm-wise. I believe the solution would be to reduce the maximum level of enthusiasm possible, making it merely a short-term strategy.

My opinion on the enthusiasm thing is that it should be a rating for individual players, rather then the entire team. Some players play at a high level of intensity throughout the season, whereas others only step it up in the playoffs. Also, there are players that just don't try, at all. Having a high enthusiasm level for the entire team basically means that the entire team will play at the level of say, Kevin Garnett - who puts in his all every single night. Not many players do that, I think it's ridiculous for enthusiasm to be a team rating.