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I don't think it's just luck. Njie, for example, shot ~.770 with stamina ~inept, and .800 or better with average+ stamina. His FTs are proficient, and I haven't trained FTs more than once during the observation period. Given that the observations are over multiple seasons, the statistical significance should be pretty high. That's why I think stamina, at least observationally, is important.

I repeated your experiment, though I decided to improve it in two ways:

(1) set a minimum respectable level of stamina, and
(2) count the total number of free throws taken until I have a total which can make some sort of reliable predictions.

The figure I ended up with was 16 makes in 78 attempts which is ~.200 (the specific observations were: 1-5, 0-7, 1-2, 1-4, 0-8, 4-17, 2-10, 0-4, 0-6, 7-15).

There is quite a bit of variability among observations. High atrocious obviously does much better than low atrocious. Though the average success of a mid-atrocious FT shooter who doesn't have god-awful stamina should probably be about .200. Low atrocious is obviously close to .000, and high atrocious may be even as good as .300.


Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 6/25/2009 3:40:50 PM

Hmmm... If your observations are correct, it's strange that stamina would have such an important role in free throws. I still think that an atrocious free throw shooter should be closer to about 40%.

My guess is that stamina has the same effect on all skills, but it's easiest to evaluate empirically with free throws.

You think so? My guess is that it would work more like enthousiasm where it has a greater effect on defense and rebounding.

Could be. I have no hard data to consider here. The thing to do is to analyze first and second half data -- if shooting percentages within a game are consistently higher in the second half, then you're right.

is it sure that stamina works in the end game, because i got a very weak team in stamina in the past but i won more quarters in the second half then in the first one.

Actually i don't give a lot on stamina, but would say that maybe the player know how much power they could give to finish the game and low stamina means lower effort from the beginning one.

But stamina is hard to see effect, and iw on't be sure about the importance of it ;) The player rating is affected a lot through it, thats maybe the only point i know for sure.

is it sure that stamina works in the end game, because i got a very weak team in stamina in the past but i won more quarters in the second half then in the first one.

The other team has stamina too, you know

my stamina was around a low 3 which is i think very low because i never trained it because my 2 U21 prospects was the only player who have had stamina. Today is it higher, because my bought players have higher stamina "from start", but a big role on my training programm isn't it till now especially because i have 2 players with very bad free throw skills(one the first look at my rooster, the evidence with stamina and ft percentage doesn't seem so clear, currently i got some FT lucker with low stamina) .

And there was a neutral bilance against team who have a stamina fetish, or saying things like that in the forums.

easy solution: if you train JS, FT will increase as secondary.

That would perfectly simulate reality: if you are a solid shooter, you can easily shoot from any spot, even FT. The reason is that you are familiar at shooting, so FT is definitely a secondary of JS. Minimal fix to the training engine.

Minimal fix to the training engine.

There really aren't any minimal fixes in BuzzerBeater.