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I think it would be worth setting out our minimum requirements and then adjusting them from season to season based on experience. i believe OD is very important for outside players in particular and so im not surprised this is a minimum requirement for Hong Kong and other countries.

I'll get in touch with Eminence and see what he thinks.

About this elastic effect, i hope there arent managers out there building up one skill just to get this going!
The point of the elastic effect is that it slows down the training speed of the skill as you pump it far ahead of the others and that this is partly (or at best completely) compensated by faster training in one/some of the low skills.

I doubt there is a net benefit to training this way, compared to a balanced training method.

In theory there could be, if it can be proved that that the pumped skill is linked elastically to many (not just one) of the other skills and the sum of these elastic effects outweighs the elastic effect you struggled through to pump the skill up in the first place.

However, i would be surprised if this is how the elastic effect works in practice - it just wouldnt make sense.

My views is that the elastic effect is more someting to bear in mind when you are buying a 22 year old. When you are the one actually doing the 18-21 year old, it's probably valuable in the sense of market value to those who prefer their trainees to be U21 graduates! Or at least, near contenders.

Well actually Hsuan is a very well rounded player will most likely have at least 10 in all his guard skills at the start of next season (21), including very high passing and od, this player will most likely max out this year as well

singh recently popped twice in 2 weeks in driving at age 22 recently, wouldn't be the case that i'm slowing down my training plan overall had i trained his low dr skills over possibly 5-6 weeks when his primaries in js and jr were originally lower, just for the sake of losing about 10 per cent training a week whilst training a 'established' primary skill?

i think i saved around 3 weeks training due to the elastic effect, how many weeks of training a primary and losing ten per cent is this equal to? Baring in mind your primary would have to be a couple of levels ahead of any other skills to take effect.

I'm not advocating single skill training however i think establishing a primary to speed up the lower skills is important to complete at the higher levels at u21.

i really dont know, but would like to know how much evidence there is to support this idea.

aside from elastic effect i can see why an u21 manager would like to have some players at his disposal that are particulalry strong in one or two skills (while reaching a minimum level in one or two others) in order to give diversity in the squad, across tactics and to combat opposition builds.

In fairly exciting news Rudolph Brewer was picked up by Darryl Austin's former trainer and he says he wants to make him even better:)

this is very bad news

Darryl Austin is a terrible player. We dont need 300k mono skilled BIGS that create 6 turn overs a game and that wont shoot more than 0.100% from the outside...

we need more balanced players that can do both.

I will be training one of my prospects in this fashion, so i will keep a training schedule and hopefully try to prove whether i'm right or wrong :)

Also brewer was quite high in inside shot i believe, we should keep a look on his training this year to see if that has a 'quicker' effect on his lower skills.

Adz

We'll have to see, I'll talk with him on what he's training and monitor it a bit.

And I strongly object to the statement that Austin is a terrible player, very tough to use well(read cost effective) at the club team level yes, but at the NT level?

any player that has several attrocious skills at that salary level is by far from ideal for a club or NT level...

6 turnovers or whatever in a game is too much at NT level.

and if you wonder why he is selected for the NT, that is simple to answer, because we have noone else...

Last edited by Astragoth at 11/8/2011 8:34:35 AM

its a trap i think a lot of big trainers fall into (when they even care).
they think they will change to outside training but never do (hard when they have a flow of centres), or are just happy to sell them on and they arent bought by outside trainers because their salaries are too high to play them as reserve while they are trained (not to mention out of position in the cup/scrimmages).

i have been recommending to trainers of monoskilled centres to plan ahead for outside training before their salaries grow too much, but i get the feeling they will only meet the same end :<