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Good points Wolph.

I would say tanking on a scale of 1-10 right now is a 10... im loving the thought of what it could lead to and having fun with quirky trainees I wouldn't normally look at.

Playing in a competitive league = ? As the JBBL has never been like that. As a comparison the PL series I have helped to create = 10. Without doubt the highlight of the week (when I did have a full strength squad) and when the conditions changed to neutral court and now we have more tactics open to us its even better. IF the enthusiasm remained constant for PL games then it would be ideal.

Blowing everyone out the water in Japan also = 10 :D Honestly there are teams there that should be so much more advanced and despite there being a few that are ahead of the curve a wins a win a win. A buzzerbeater winner or an 80 point mauling. It was irrelevant as no-one spent the money they had to compete with me.

So right now for me the fun factor is the tanking as its gotten to the stage a win is about as fun a loss. There is little satisfaction in either until the JBBL edges closer to the type of competition that can be arranged in a Friday night Private League.

Had I not stepped down I can guarantee that teams wouldve plodded along banking cash waiting for their moment (which wouldn't have come) and even after stepping down no-ones really gone aggressive to ensure top dog status for the coming 2 seasons. I'm sure those I'm pointing the finger at will say there is no need to as all you effectively have to do now is beat last seasons 2nd best and everyone will proclaim to training rounded players blah blah blah.... so I've decided to go down the next best route and make sure when teams are operating at or close to full capacity they will still be no better off position wise or chance wise than they were last season.

Honestly speaking,
Would you rather be in a situation where it was in your best interest to keep competing?
Economics has got to be a big factor in what you are doing right now, don't you think its a bit cheese?

The fact is you can accumulate more money sliding down from Division 1 in Germany/USA (bigger nation country) than you can where we are in Japan.

BUT

We also should be able to climb back up our divisional structure by spending less than teams in Germany/USA etc.

The little difference is that you earn 50-60k less for TV contract,but you have to spend something like 250-300k less in weekly salary...

7-0 in II.I Italy http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/37089/players.aspx

7-0 in II.1 Nippon http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/53426/players.aspx

7-0 in II.1 Nippon http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/53436/players.aspx


Last edited by Steve Karenn at 11/1/2010 12:09:28 PM

I would imagine that you need to take into consideration the difference in arena revenue too.

Do you expect that you can make more each week on average going 22-0 in Italy II.I with a full house compared to a Japan II.I series? I would expect the average STH in a Japan II series to be 50-75% of an Italian II.I (wild guess - but you catch my drift)

I would imagine that you need to take into consideration the difference in arena revenue too.

Do you expect that you can make more each week on average going 22-0 in Italy II.I with a full house compared to a Japan II.I series?

If the palace has the same size,with the same prices for the seats,the attendence is EXACTLY the same,and so the arena revenue

This mechanism was thought by BBs to allow the users all over the world to reach the same level,no matter the country they were in
And this mechanism would be fair,but the weak point of this system is that not in every country you have to spend the same money to reach a certain goal(win II div,reach the playoff in a III div and so on)

Sure but take a league of 16 teams with an average 2500 STH (ie. Italy II) then take a league of 16 teams with an average STH of 1800 (Japan II).

Play these teams week in week out vs each other with same arena breakdowns and prices and I would bet that the Italian attendences work out to be slightly higher?

Sure but take a league of 16 teams with an average 2500 STH (ie. Italy II) then take a league of 16 teams with an average STH of 1800 (Japan II).

Play these teams week in week out vs each other with same arena breakdowns and prices and I would bet that the Italian attendences work out to be slightly higher?

Slightly is a key word in this discussion.Because we could easily see the difference in the salaries and in Tv contract,and the relative weekly difference.Now,if this slightly difference,is small compared to the weekly difference we saw before(salaries-Tv contract),it means that however tanking is a much more easy tactic to play in Japan

I never denied this - just wanted to quash the fact you presented that we'd enjoy similar gate receipts whilst we climbed up with our lesser salaries.

What about cup runs? Would you expect an average Italian II team to go 2/3 rounds further in the domestic cup on average? (more $$ and spin off effect to future league attendences = SLIGHTLY more :D)

I never denied this - just wanted to quash the fact you presented that we'd enjoy similar gate receipts whilst we climbed up with our lesser salaries.

What about cup runs? Would you expect an average Italian II team to go 2/3 rounds further in the domestic cup on average? (more $$ and spin off effect to future league attendences = SLIGHTLY more :D)

You can't base your season on cup runs,because you can find every kind of opponent in every stage,you can go out from the first round against a Serie A team or play till the fourth round aganst bots
And however it's not easy to have a perfect record and advance in the cup in larger countries,because you can find some good team from lower division that can force you to use some TS point or put some starter in cup games,losing competitivity in league games

I had a very interesting BB-mail overnight from a good old friend who slipped me this information....

Delta Cappuccio is raking in 1.5x the amount of cash of Kotets at the gates (AVG 351k vs. 238k over the first games over the season..)

So the slightly really is becoming more and more a SLIGHTLY!

Sure but take a league of 16 teams with an average 2500 STH (ie. Italy II) then take a league of 16 teams with an average STH of 1800 (Japan II).

Play these teams week in week out vs each other with same arena breakdowns and prices and I would bet that the Italian attendences work out to be slightly higher?

Slightly is a key word in this discussion.Because we could easily see the difference in the salaries and in Tv contract,and the relative weekly difference.Now,if this slightly difference,is small compared to the weekly difference we saw before(salaries-Tv contract),it means that however tanking is a much more easy tactic to play in Japan

you shouldn't forget that you play longer, to reach this level so have bigger arena and tv income in italy. And when it is the same in Nippon, they also played longer and fight harder to be competive so that they have more competive and more expensiv rosters like in italy.

but you are right a fresh start might be faster in a small country, bt if it is really funnier, because the opponents are much stronger and you have to catch up for a while before you could think about winning.

And what difference does it make, when team cx from a total different country cgot more money then team y, when they ain't competing against each other.