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161502.175 in reply to 161502.169
Date: 11/1/2010 12:05:33 PM
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Honestly speaking,
Would you rather be in a situation where it was in your best interest to keep competing?
Economics has got to be a big factor in what you are doing right now, don't you think its a bit cheese?


The fact is you can accumulate more money sliding down from Division 1 in Germany/USA (bigger nation country) than you can where we are in Japan.

BUT

We also should be able to climb back up our divisional structure by spending less than teams in Germany/USA etc.

The little difference is that you earn 50-60k less for TV contract,but you have to spend something like 250-300k less in weekly salary...

7-0 in II.I Italy http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/37089/players.aspx

7-0 in II.1 Nippon http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/53426/players.aspx

7-0 in II.1 Nippon http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/53436/players.aspx


Last edited by Steve Karenn at 11/1/2010 12:09:28 PM

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161502.176 in reply to 161502.175
Date: 11/1/2010 12:19:10 PM
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I would imagine that you need to take into consideration the difference in arena revenue too.

Do you expect that you can make more each week on average going 22-0 in Italy II.I with a full house compared to a Japan II.I series? I would expect the average STH in a Japan II series to be 50-75% of an Italian II.I (wild guess - but you catch my drift)


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161502.177 in reply to 161502.176
Date: 11/1/2010 12:24:48 PM
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I would imagine that you need to take into consideration the difference in arena revenue too.

Do you expect that you can make more each week on average going 22-0 in Italy II.I with a full house compared to a Japan II.I series?

If the palace has the same size,with the same prices for the seats,the attendence is EXACTLY the same,and so the arena revenue

This mechanism was thought by BBs to allow the users all over the world to reach the same level,no matter the country they were in
And this mechanism would be fair,but the weak point of this system is that not in every country you have to spend the same money to reach a certain goal(win II div,reach the playoff in a III div and so on)

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161502.178 in reply to 161502.177
Date: 11/1/2010 12:26:43 PM
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Sure but take a league of 16 teams with an average 2500 STH (ie. Italy II) then take a league of 16 teams with an average STH of 1800 (Japan II).

Play these teams week in week out vs each other with same arena breakdowns and prices and I would bet that the Italian attendences work out to be slightly higher?

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Date: 11/1/2010 12:36:06 PM
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Sure but take a league of 16 teams with an average 2500 STH (ie. Italy II) then take a league of 16 teams with an average STH of 1800 (Japan II).

Play these teams week in week out vs each other with same arena breakdowns and prices and I would bet that the Italian attendences work out to be slightly higher?

Slightly is a key word in this discussion.Because we could easily see the difference in the salaries and in Tv contract,and the relative weekly difference.Now,if this slightly difference,is small compared to the weekly difference we saw before(salaries-Tv contract),it means that however tanking is a much more easy tactic to play in Japan

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161502.180 in reply to 161502.179
Date: 11/1/2010 12:40:21 PM
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I never denied this - just wanted to quash the fact you presented that we'd enjoy similar gate receipts whilst we climbed up with our lesser salaries.

What about cup runs? Would you expect an average Italian II team to go 2/3 rounds further in the domestic cup on average? (more $$ and spin off effect to future league attendences = SLIGHTLY more :D)

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Date: 11/1/2010 12:46:51 PM
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I never denied this - just wanted to quash the fact you presented that we'd enjoy similar gate receipts whilst we climbed up with our lesser salaries.

What about cup runs? Would you expect an average Italian II team to go 2/3 rounds further in the domestic cup on average? (more $$ and spin off effect to future league attendences = SLIGHTLY more :D)

You can't base your season on cup runs,because you can find every kind of opponent in every stage,you can go out from the first round against a Serie A team or play till the fourth round aganst bots
And however it's not easy to have a perfect record and advance in the cup in larger countries,because you can find some good team from lower division that can force you to use some TS point or put some starter in cup games,losing competitivity in league games

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161502.183 in reply to 161502.182
Date: 11/1/2010 10:30:43 PM
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I had a very interesting BB-mail overnight from a good old friend who slipped me this information....

Delta Cappuccio is raking in 1.5x the amount of cash of Kotets at the gates (AVG 351k vs. 238k over the first games over the season..)

So the slightly really is becoming more and more a SLIGHTLY!


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161502.184 in reply to 161502.179
Date: 11/2/2010 5:58:49 AM
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Sure but take a league of 16 teams with an average 2500 STH (ie. Italy II) then take a league of 16 teams with an average STH of 1800 (Japan II).

Play these teams week in week out vs each other with same arena breakdowns and prices and I would bet that the Italian attendences work out to be slightly higher?

Slightly is a key word in this discussion.Because we could easily see the difference in the salaries and in Tv contract,and the relative weekly difference.Now,if this slightly difference,is small compared to the weekly difference we saw before(salaries-Tv contract),it means that however tanking is a much more easy tactic to play in Japan


you shouldn't forget that you play longer, to reach this level so have bigger arena and tv income in italy. And when it is the same in Nippon, they also played longer and fight harder to be competive so that they have more competive and more expensiv rosters like in italy.

but you are right a fresh start might be faster in a small country, bt if it is really funnier, because the opponents are much stronger and you have to catch up for a while before you could think about winning.

And what difference does it make, when team cx from a total different country cgot more money then team y, when they ain't competing against each other.

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161502.185 in reply to 161502.183
Date: 11/2/2010 11:43:14 AM
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I had a very interesting BB-mail overnight from a good old friend who slipped me this information....

Delta Cappuccio is raking in 1.5x the amount of cash of Kotets at the gates (AVG 351k vs. 238k over the first games over the season..)

IMHO,Kotets is been hurting much more than Delta Cappuccio Team from the relegation because:

-DCT had a much better path in their National cup(SF against top 64) last season
-DCT was relegated after playout games,while Kotets was relegated directly
(higher fan survey on last season's team performance)

And the most important thing,Kotets has a too high price for the bleachers seats,so he don't fill them out,while DCT with a much lower price,has all the bleachers filled,so having a much better income

Probably there is a difference between a large and a small country,but in this situation it seems to me more a wrong price policy from Kotets than another thing

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