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C'mon now...

While I agree with you and everyone else that the onus is on the BB team to promote the game, there's no need to disparage or mock others if they want to make an effort on that front.

Completely agree with this remark. I'm sure you'll have read this too.

Wow I woke up the negativity mafia!
All of you are entitled to your as always positive views on things. I would hate to be of that nature though and I won't join any of you in that.
Nor will I keep discussing any of it as it will just be a waste of time. Been there done that. There's no way of coming to any agreement.

Negativity mafia? I object to those words both individually and combined.

Wow I woke up the negativity mafia!
All of you are entitled to your as always positive views on things. I would hate to be of that nature though and I won't join any of you in that.
Nor will I keep discussing any of it as it will just be a waste of time. Been there done that. There's no way of coming to any agreement.

Damn, we have woken up the negationist GM/ex-GM mob!

Oh wait, we didn't do anything actually, they actually take it upon themselves to shoot down (or censor) anybody saying anything about the game THEY don't approve. And when confronted with their own hypocrisy, then whoopies, let's shut down the conversation. Impressive.

If you had any honesty you would tell us what you have done to promote BB like you demanded/suggested from others. I think we can all figure out why you are backtracking here while launching some more accusations...

Last edited by Lemonshine at 3/31/2016 2:29:44 PM

Look back on the thread and tell us if you think Manon's comments were 'constructive' and not just reiterated 'criticism' of a perfectly legitimate position. Let's assume they were constructive, what is the problem with me using the same exact argument for him that he used for others? If he does think it's a good idea to suggest others do this kind of work, then it's only fair to ask what he has done or what he's planning to do.

I honestly had enough with people (including GMs) using funny arguments to almost harass certain users on forums (not me), so I'm just going to point out the hypocrisy or blatant fallacy of some opinions. Like I did when I pointed out that the official BB line about FA policy has basically always been that they have next to no impact on the transfer market, but they kept changing it despite their reiterated assertions that it basically does nothing and has no impact.

I hope a bit more intellectual honesty when discussing and telling off people would go a long way.

Damn, we have woken up the negationist GM/ex-GM mob!

Oh wait, we didn't do anything actually, they actually take it upon themselves to shoot down (or censor) anybody saying anything about the game THEY don't approve. And when confronted with their own hypocrisy, then whoopies, let's shut down the conversation. What a impressive bunch.

If you had any honesty you would tell us what you have done to promote BB like you demanded/suggested from others. I think we can all figure out why you are withdrawing while launching some more accusations...

I would like to point out, for the record, that:
1. This conversation is here and ongoing.
2. In the past month, 7 of the 74 posts in this thread have been deleted - 1 by the poster, two that were doubleposts, and three on a political tangent entirely unrelated to BB, and one that was a violation of the forum rules but not at all on the topic of the discussion either.

So to be absolutely clear, this discussion has not been censored.

To continue the trend of honesty and clarity, I personally entirely dislike your recent penchant of accusing staff members of dishonesty, hypocrisy and censorship (just to use three specific charges you made in the words I quoted above). It serves absolutely no constructive purpose whatsoever, other than to satisfy whatever personal animosity you have towards whatever members of the staff you're currently feuding with.

And yet, the post remains. You can certainly disagree with a lot of things in this game, as is your prerogative, and we in general bend over backwards to try to allow as much free discussion as possible. And part of that freedom is that we keep our roles as users when we become GMs. If you don't like the fact that we're not enthusiastically parroting your every word, speaking only for myself, please excuse me for reserving for myself the same right to express my opinion as I afford you and every other person who posts here.

Dishonesty. Censorship. Hypocrisy. Those are loaded words, and they're definitely things to shun. The fact that you're slinging them as carelessly as you are (pointed at Manon's post, in particular, which is far less sarcastic than anything you and I would regularly post) is not something I'd consider as an indicator that you're putting much value into the words you're choosing, and highly unlikely to make me consider the rest of the words you throw out alongside them as having any value.

Just to make clear, you're saying that anyone with a view disagreeing with a member of staff, or an ex member of staff, is being negative and its fine to use the term mafia along with that?

Its easy to attack Lemonshine and other users, but I am always amazed by how quick members of staff are to defend their friends. Always in these threads GMs jump in in threes and fours, without reading the entire thread and taking into account the the context of each post.

I've had it before where an EGM has misread a post, accused me of saying something that in fact had been said by someone else, and when I pointed it out, quickly had GMs from all round the world to come on to agree with the EGM. And here we are again.

Dishonesty. Censorship. Hypocrisy. Those are loaded words, and they're definitely things to shun.

I disagree. Words are to be used correctly or not at all. Like the word "negativity." Perfectly good word when used properly. Not so good when its the wrong word.

It's hard to pick a person to answer too, when so many things can be adressed.

First of all I am no native speaker, so maybe my choice of words might not suit everybody. I know that I am very hard on the BB sometimes, but let's be honest, regarding the advertising of the game there is sooo much room to improve.

There are many free/cheap ways to promote, but it has to be done by the people who (want to) make money with this game. At the end of the day Digital Field Theory is a for-profit organization... I doubt Game of War would depend on its players to get it publicized...