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But remember BB's with the new cross training don't link JS and FTs to strongly.

Are you saying that JS and FT will not be linked strongly in cross training? Or are you suggesting to the BBs not to link them strongly?


(Personally, I would prefer for them to be linked strongly, even though I already have strong FT shooters.)

But remember BB's with the new cross training don't link JS and FTs to strongly.

Are you saying that JS and FT will not be linked strongly in cross training? Or are you suggesting to the BBs not to link them strongly?


(Personally, I would prefer for them to be linked strongly, even though I already have strong FT shooters.)

News say:

now improvement in one skill will in addition be linked, more weakly, even to seemingly unrelated skills

"more weakly" does not indicate a stong link to me.

News say:

now improvement in one skill will in addition be linked, more weakly, even to seemingly unrelated skills

"more weakly" does not indicate a stong link to me.

hmm... But are JS and FT "seemingly unrelated skills"? Because to me, they do seem to be related.

And if they are "seemingly unrelated", are all of these unrelated skills trained/ is FT one of them?

Edit: A seemingly unrelated skill would be (IMO) FT and SB, or even FT and IS.

Last edited by j9s3 at 7/13/2011 6:35:05 PM

Well, the better idea would be a FT floor, and a cap. Seeing as people over their career(most of them), don't really alter their percentage in a major way. FT should start at pitiful/awful the least, and you shouldn't be able to have a lot of players with say 12+ FT skill. Only in this condition would the JS/FT correlation make sense(IMO)

I really don't get how anyone can think JS and FT are unrelated. I can see IS and FT being unrelated, but shooting jumpers from even 6 feet out should help the player when he steps to the line. Let alone JR training, which should be very very strongly related to FT.

And if the argument is that managers who don't train FTs have only themselves to blame for creating unbalanced players, then why the training link for any other skills? Why is handling tied to driving? Why is JR related to JS? And how the hell is IS related to ID?

And if the argument is that managers who don't train FTs have only themselves to blame for creating unbalanced players, then why the training link for any other skills? Why is handling tied to driving? Why is JR related to JS? And how the hell is IS related to ID?

My thoughts exactly/

A man was running a hot dog stand, and people came from all over the world to get his hot dogs. There were all sorts of condiments available for the hot dogs: ketchup, mustard, relish, sauerkraut, onions, chili, mayonnaise; you name it. And the people could put any of these on their hot dogs that they wished.

After a while, some people started wondering why the man who sold the hot dogs couldn't somehow just put the mustard in the relish. The man selling the hot dogs said that the mustard was right there in front of them and they could have as much mustard as they wanted, but they didn't have to have mustard if they didn't want it, and many around him nodded that this was fair. But some people said they didn't have the time to put the mustard on the hot dogs themselves, they were too busy putting relish and god knows what else on them, and couldn't be bothered to stand in line waiting for mustard. They wanted the mustard in the relish, and could care less if some folks liked the relish the way it was.

The man who sold the hot dogs then suggested that if they wanted relish, then maybe he should make a rule that you could only get so much relish unless you got some mustard first, and wondered aloud if that would be more or less fair than putting mustard into the relish to begin with.

Others in line remarked that there were other hot dog stands where the mustard was already in the relish, and showed some proof of this. Still others were too busy heaping sauerkraut on their hot dogs to give a hoot what was being discussed.

The people who wanted mustard in the relish were outraged that the man refused to put mustard in the relish, the folks who liked the relish the way it was without mustard in it were mad that the mustard-in-the-relish lobby was going to limit the amount of relish available to them, and they were going to have to learn to like mustard to get more relish (or find another place to get hot dogs), which was universally regarded as horsecrap.

At the back of the line, there was someone wondering if there was a way to put ketchup on five hot dogs, mustard on three hot dogs, and relish on six hot dogs all at the same time, and thank heavens the mob killed him and made him into bratwurst before he had a chance to speak.

Ah yes, the parable of the HotDog Stand and the Relish and Mustard.

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Here endeth the lesson.

Oh, so we are going to do this debate in parables now I see. I can do that...

Once, there was this kid who was new to town, he moved from New Jersey to California, and the kids in town were always schooling him in basketball. One day, there was this Japanese guy who decided to take him in and help train him in basketball since this kid didn't have a father. But instead of immediately taking him to a basketball court and playing hoops, he had the kid do chores around his house. First he had him pick oranges from way high up in an orange tree, saying "pick orange". Then he had him catch chickens saying "stay in front of chicken". And then he had him throw coconuts in a basket on his roof saying "toss coconut", and when the kid missed the basket, he was reminded to "keep shoulders square, bend knees, follow through with wrist". Just when the kid was fed up with the chores, his teacher took him to a basketball court and was just about to take a shot and said "pick orange" and the kid did the motion and blocked the shot. Then the teacher was dribbling the ball and said "stay in front of chicken" and the kid was able to deny an open dribbling lane to the basket. And then he had the kid take shots with the ball, and every time he went to shoot, whether it was a jump shot or a free throw, his teacher would say "toss coconut" and all the motions from tossing the coconut helped train him for either type of shot. Later on, his teacher ran him through drills that focused on jump shots, or free throws, and they worked on his jump range, but all were based on the same chore of tossing the coconut. This kid became a legend known everywhere as the Basketball Kid. Then they went to Japan and the kid got a new girlfriend there and learned new lessons not just about basketball, but about pride, honor and compassion. And then a bunch of years later a similar sort of story happened, only this time the kid was the son of a famous actor and his teacher was Chinese.