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276706.179 in reply to 276706.177
Date: 2/21/2016 1:55:40 PM
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I agree, for the most part that I have seen you are not adverse to unused tactics or player builds I was merely responding to your above post about DR being an unknown quantity to managers.

For guards of course the 1v1 build is faster, but I can prove that my method of training bigs is faster. Im not saying we dont give them 1v1F, just not in the capacity currently being preached. I know everyone will talk about the elastics with training it first and inside shot first but I find that SB trains ID/IS/RB very fast. I need to fully experiment and get some controls and really test my theory but consider my Utopians HOF draftee who trained alongside Bryan,( whos not a bad candidate either but he popped slow at 19, faster at 20).

big skills at start 5/1/6/4
Height 6'7
Age Now :20
Big skills
9/9/9/11

He actually is behind where i wanted him by 3 pops, SB wil hit 12 this week but that is 23 Big Pops in his first 2 years.
I dont have accurate data for years 1-2 of a 1v1F first plan. But with 2 full seasons of training to go if he was a big...
He also grew 2DR and 1 HA, 1OD. Give me 3 7'0 ft 5/5/5/5 starters and you could theoretically have a guy at 11/11/11/11 going into age 20 season! Granted if the guy has no HA or DR like a 1 or 2 start of course it makes sense to start them off at that. But if we have bigs who starts at 5-7 HA/Dr save it for y21 when you want them to manage gameshape. Much easier for any manager to manage gameshape doing 2 position training.

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276706.180 in reply to 276706.178
Date: 2/21/2016 2:00:18 PM
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i have been preaching the effects of SB the entire thread. Sometimes when dealing with these things its best to come prepared with numbers to back up your statements otherwise the elites of the game tend to disregard whatever it is you have to say.

As far as SB on wingers, look no further then my player Carl Baxter, trained as a big not playing mostly PG for training minutes, he finally broke out of the blues on OD last week after the entire season but, He never fouled out against d.3 PGS.
That speaks volumes to me.

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276706.181 in reply to 276706.177
Date: 2/21/2016 2:21:28 PM
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NT wise, what are your thoughts a player build like this.
15/10/16/12/16/12/15/15/12/18

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276706.182 in reply to 276706.181
Date: 2/21/2016 5:25:01 PM
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I really cant say that I guarantee anyone would ever be on the team because of tactics and the surrounding players on the roster and depth chart. However, what I can say is that that player you show there would definitely be near the top of my chart due to his defense. I would absolutely love a guy with 18SB with that combo of OD and ID. The real question would be whether we can surround that guy with some good shooters. Thats not to say he would be bad offensively, but definitely below typical NT players. The flexibility he would give though on defense would be great.

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276706.183 in reply to 276706.182
Date: 2/21/2016 7:31:51 PM
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This is potentially the landing place for Humphries at MVP Potential in ideal training conditions although i may struggle with getting the OD that high. I would imagine you could pack a bit more scoring onto a HOF or ATG

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