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There is a difference between slowing down due to age and soft cap and not popping at all for 13 weeks. I've always believed that there are sublevels and many other managers also support it. Can we provide you with 100% proof? No, but many signs seem to point to it.

Last edited by E.B.W. at 12/1/2013 6:41:33 PM

Nice try, it's a losing battle
there are none so blind as those who will not to see

Very true.

So what happens when a BB says that there are no sub-levels for potential?
I guess you will be the blind one.
Don't get me wrong, I like free thinkers who make good assumptions about things. But in the end...it's only an assumption. Not fact.

With No BB saying anything right now
All we can go on are the facts that we have learned
which point in the direction stated,until proven otherwise.
You have been given statistical data pointed in one direction and have given back what to counter it?
It will be one thing to be wrong, quite possible, but another not to be open to possibilities.

Like I said...I have never had a player prematurely CAP....And what was shown to me....an old Per. Allstar that had high sub-levels in everything. And the owner said that he hadn't popped in this many trainings...how do I know that was true. Maybe he gave up too early. I have a 28 yr old MVP and it took 6 weeks for his OD to pop, what if I had stopped at 5 weeks and said...My MVP NT player is capped and he isn't up to his potential yet..OMG he has a low sub-level on his MVP. So what if I would have done that, would that have been a so called LEARNED FACT? I bet if he would have kept training that dude he would have popped. And he wouldn't have been on the forums crying about his guy capping.
BTW....Potential having sub-levels is a hypothesis that someone came up with. Like I said, in season 10, it was widely excepted that potential was a fixed # and when the soft cap is reached it slows down.
I understand you may be gathering INFORMATION but learning facts, that is silly to say. What's next? Am I going to be expecting 4 pops next week and when I only get 2, can I say that my level 7 trainer must have a low sub-level because I got less pops than I expected? Maybe after two weeks I will post in the forums how Staff must have sub-levels because of these FACTS that I learned which point in this direction. Hahahahaha!! I will wait until a BB states the FACTS about sub-levels on potential.

Last edited by Yellow cake at 12/2/2013 6:31:36 AM

You are right
and since no matter what anybody says or writes our good friend never moves an inch
lets end it
you are right as usual
feel better?

Just one thing on the speed of ups: have you guys taken aspiration and height into account (as well as sublevels, unknown for rookies or recently bought players) ? Moreover is the rapidity based on the same ups, say from 10 to 11, or just an any up, from 1 to 2 for one guy and 16 to 17 for another ?
Just to be clear.

Coming back to the sublevels, I mailed BB-Marin, maybe he will provide a quick answer that I can copy paste here.

One season a guy gets 10 pops and the next season he gets one. Fairly clear that he has capped whatever his height is. This happens to allstars at about age 21 or 22.

Would it really hurt for a BB to step here and confirm or deny whether there are sublevels on potential?
Would it really spoil the game? Would it ruin the fun?

As if people who want to train don't get "punished" enough with losing games to train off-position, losing money from attendances, losing money from staff, not training properly with random subs that prevent reaching 48 minutes, injuries, random stamina drops...

After 25 seasons that managers blindly train, it wouldn't be fair at least for a BB to confirm or not if there are sublevels?

Last edited by Villagkouras at 12/3/2013 12:44:40 PM