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1. The player is fouled out or ejected. Obviously, someone has to replace him unless you play a four man lineup.
2. The player is injured. See above.

Please let's be less pedantic shall we? That's not what's being discussed here.

3. You have a huge lead and the game is far from contested, and the coach prefers to minimize the injury risk of the starters.
4. The player is so exhausted that he's literally dead weight on the court.

There is no such thing in real life and probably not in any parallel universe. If you're tired, you don't run, but the coach defying an express order from the management is another issue altogether and warrants sacking. This game is an hybrid but either we accept the coach does what he wants (without being told so) or he has to follow orders set by his general manager. BBs need to be coherent, they can't say, coach does what he wants (without being told so) option: BUG, we don't want it; coach does what he wants (despite specific different orders): OK, all working as intended, we want it. And more to the point you like to leave the coach freedom (ie. you like blanks and you like the fact that the coach subs out players NOT in the depth chart) don't call it "strictly", maybe call it "vaguely" or "tentatively" follow the depth chart.

Marin and Charles and Forrest before him were all forthright that the other substitution options *are* bugged.

Yet Marin fixed blanks tens of seasons after the problem first emerged, because we don't want the coach to decide the substitution pattern...explain to me how double standards work. Also, since when talking about the other tactics means anything about this one? Have they clearly stated anywhere that SFDC is NOT bugged? If they did, have they explained why it is described in a different way in the Game Manual? We need links.

I surely thought I didn't have to remind GMs what the Game manual says, but since we like to be pedantic:

Substitution Pattern
The coach will sometimes use his own judgment to decide what the proper balance is between starters, backups, reserves, and even players on the bench but not in the depth chart at all. You can set the balance between how much coaches use their own judgment or defer to yours with the substitutions box. You can use entirely your judgment (Strictly Follow Depth Chart), entirely the coach's judgment (Let Coach Decide), a mix between the two (Coach Picks from Depth Chart), or you can use your depth chart strictly until the 4th quarter, then tell the coach to try and win the game however he thinks is best (Depth Chart until 4th).

So how much the coach uses his judjement > strictly > coach uses entirely your judgement (and does not use his own at all)


Last edited by Lemonshine at 3/30/2015 6:42:06 AM

So once again I encourage anyone that thinks this is s bug to post in the correct place about it. Or anyone that thinks it isn't a bug but still would like it changed to make a suggestion about that instead.

I encourage the BBs (BB-Marin) to clarify once and for all if this is intended or not as he did with blanks. It's been reported multiple times. If it is intended then he must fix the wording in the game manual and only then we will use the suggestion thread. If it isn't then it is a bug and that's where it should be addressed.

There have been countless of posts about this you want us to make more? I can make one every day the bug happens until I get an answer. That will force you or Perpete to collapse threads, are you encouraging us to do that? I'll get started on that, because otherwise it looks like I just make empty statements, like the one about the pillory thread (which I have ready, but never posted).

Last edited by Lemonshine at 3/30/2015 6:28:42 AM

Not me, I'm opening my 001 thread to the bug forums just now. In the future, I'm gonna report it every time I see it happening until the issue is addressed or the Game Manual is changed.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 3/30/2015 6:25:22 AM

Anyone want this thread deplaced to the Bugs forum ?

No, but just get over with it. Your censorship is pathetic.

Anyone want this thread deplaced to the Bugs forum ?

No, but just get over with it. Your censorship is pathetic.

Censorship ?

I asked if someone wanted this to be deplaced in the Bugs forum since some seem to think this is a Bug. Lemonshine just opened a thread on the Bugs forum about it also.

You are just being agressive for the sake of it. Enjoy.

Who deleted my post? I doubt it disappeared by itself. I think I should nominate you for the annual Foto-Award.

@GMs

It seems to me like your job here gets harder and harder every week. I would not be able to stay calm as you do.

Many of us appreciate your work, but remain the silent majority.

Just letting you know.

Regards,

Pete

If you're tired, you don't run, but the coach defying an express order from the management is another issue altogether and warrants sacking. This game is an hybrid but either we accept the coach does what he wants (without being told so) or he has to follow orders set by his general manager. BBs need to be coherent, they can't say, coach does what he wants (without being told so) option: BUG, we don't want it; coach does what he wants (despite specific different orders): OK, all working as intended, we want it. And more to the point you like to leave the coach freedom (ie. you like blanks and you like the fact that the coach subs out players NOT in the depth chart) don't call it "strictly", maybe call it "vaguely" or "tentatively" follow the depth chart.

Please note that this is mostly a devil's advocate response, as I again think that the whole substitution logic needs to be reworked. I think in this scenario there's the counter-argument that having the same player listed as all three positions on the depth chart could be considered functionally as an "incomplete" depth chart, and so while the coach may say that for any position you give him a starter and backup for, he'll use only those players, by not giving him any leeway at some point if he feels a change is required (which of course has a much higher threshold than a normal sub would), he's got to go off the board.

Marin and Charles and Forrest before him were all forthright that the other substitution options *are* bugged.

Yet Marin fixed blanks tens of seasons after the problem first emerged, because we don't want the coach to decide the substitution pattern...explain to me how double standards work. Also, since when talking about the other tactics means anything about this one? Have they clearly stated anywhere that SFDC is NOT bugged? If they did, have they explained why it is described in a different way in the Game Manual? We need links.

A smattering of links.
(267786.4)
(264873.10)
(261610.4)
(219327.6)
(161567.3)
(26712.251)

As to why it says what it says in the manual, further down it also says:

Your in-game coach will try his hardest to win; in order to optimize your training minutes, you can use the Strictly Follow Depth Chart tactic to overrule some of the coach's substitution decisions.

(The bold is my emphasis, and there's some text italicized in the manual that I'm not going to bother decorating to stand out).

So, yes, there's inconsistency there.

In any case, since it looks like this is also up in the Bugs forum now I presume there's no need to go round and round on this. I don't think the substitution options are at all ideal, nor are most of them even working. I do think, however, that no matter what your opinion is on the wisdom of the SFDC logic, and I'm sure I'm more in agreement with you on than otherwise, I don't think it's accurate to call it the logic itself a bug. The inconsistencies in the manual, sure. Nice catch.

So ok according to Marin that's no bug. Then my problem is that the game manual says one thing, Marin/others say you shouldn't be able to get 48 minutes by design and we're supposed to take both at face value.

Easiest fix: amend the Game Manual and rename Strictly into something else, I will post in Suggestions for this. Then people will still complain and demand a change, but at least we'll all be on the same page and there will be no confusion.

However, I think this will not happen because it equals admitting that:
a) sub patterns (all of them, including SFDC) are broken
b) there is absolutely no option to force the coach to do what the manager wants (and Blanks were allegedly fixed to push managers towards a more hands on approach and force them to control the team more closely)

Edit: I didn't add the second paragraph in the Game Manual in my previous post, but it should be amended too, as it seems quite evident that it gives the false impression that: 1) you need 48 minutes for training; 2) SFDC is the way to go to "optimize" your minutes. How is that not misleading? If I was reading that for the first time, I'd assume that SFDC will allow you to get 48 minutes and will also prevent the coach from starting subs or playing them more minutes than the starters (as it happens with Coach Pick from Depth Chart).

Last edited by Lemonshine at 3/30/2015 12:14:59 PM