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Sponsors in het Eredivisie basketbal! :p Lekker duuuur! Dat gaat natuurlijk niet werken weet ik zelf ook wel, maar wat wel kan is bijvoorbeeld banners laten plaatsen op grote basketbalverenigingen van Nederland voor een kleine betaling. Clubs hebben altijd wel geld nodig!

Last edited by Wout! at 10/28/2008 13:13:53

Ik denk inderdaad dat een spotje tijdens de commercials van Studio sport best een stijging zal veroorzaken.
Maar realistisch gezien is het misschien slimmer om op de site van de BB verenigingen advertenties te plaatsen.
Ik zal eens kijken of het bij mijn club op de site kan, Buzzerbeater heeft al ooit op het forum gestaan, maar het forum is eraf gehaald.
Het is overigens wel een kleine club.

Ja er zijn genoeg grote clubs.
In mijn Competitie alleen al.
Er zijn zelfs clubs met minimaal 4 teams per leeftijds klasse

Hi BB-Mark,

Advertising at the site of the 'Nederlandse Basketball Bond' might be a good idea. 'Nederlandse Basketball Bond' means Dutch Basketball Federation.

The site of the main federation: (http://nbb.basketball.nl/content.php) , E-mail:unfortunately I haven't found a e-mailadress of the webmaster.

It might also be an idea to advertise at the 5 regional sites of the dutch basketball federation in the 5 different regions of the dutch basketball federation. Namely:

Region Noord Holland
(http://www.dunk.nl/)
E-mail: nbb-nh@dunk.nl

Region North
(http://www.bbrayonnoord.nl/)
E-mail: rayonnoord@basketball.nl

Region East
(http://www.rayonoost.nl/)
E-mail: info@rayonoost.nl

Region South
(http://www2.basketball.nl/rayon/zuid/)
E-mail: rayonzuid@basketball.nl

Region West
(http://west.basketball.nl/site/index.php?id=28)
E-mail: info@west.basketball.nl

But I haven't got a clue, how much people visit those sites, maybe somebody else here can tell you those things. I'm not at home in the Basketbalworld in the Netherlands, that's why I'd like other dutch guys to comment the idea.

Greetings,

Arsjitekt

This is a very good idea.
I am a dutch basketballer by myself and I watch those websites (most Region West, and the main website) very often. Dutch basketbal players can find here very important information about the league where they are playing in, such as the schedule, rankins, rostere and more.

So, BB-Mark, how do you like to advertise on these websites? Is there a budget for it? I hope so!

I have made a list of the largest basketbal clubs in Holland. The most of them playing in the highest competition, the other are clubs I personally know because I played against them.

Maybe you can ask them if they can create a newspost about BuzzerBeater or if they will add a banner on their webpage?

Eiffeltowers Den Bosch
(http://www.eiffeltowers.nl/)
info@eiffeltowers.nl

Hanzevast Capitals
(http://www.donar.nl/)
commercie@hanzevastcapitals.nl

Landstede Basketbal
(http://www.landstede-basketbal.nl/)
Ronny Veldhuis
Tel. : 0031 088 850 80 65 (or contact form on the webpage)

Rotterdam Challengers
(http://www.rotterdam-challengers.nl)
info@challengesports.nl

Matrixx Magixx
(http://www.matrixxmagixx.nl/)
contact@matrixxmagixx.nl

GOBA
(http://www.goba.nu/)
secretaris@goba.nu

Cangeroes
(http://www.cangeroes.nl/)
secretaris@cangeroes.nl

CBV Binnenland
(http://www.cbvbinnenland.nl/)
g.ritstier1@kpnplanet.nl

EclipseJet Amsterdam
(http://www.amsterdambasketball.nl/)
info@amsterdambasketball.nl

Today I sent an e-mail to all the links above. The clubs, the districts and the national webpages with an offer to advertise on their webpage, or to post a newspost on their website with BuzzerBeater promotion.

Hope I hear soon from them.

@BB's

Recently I've read a few times that the new BB's, BB-Patrick and BB-Edju, have the job to get more people to the game. While that might be their primary goal, I'd like to suggest that it might be even more important to keep those new people in the game.

Because of my scouting duties for the national team, I have scouted the IV.1 to IV.10 in the Netherlands this season three times. It is quite shocking to see that the percentage of managers which stop playing this wonderful game in a few days - weeks - months is quite high (i estimate it's about 90%, you got the numbers, it might be less). We (managers which stay more than 2 months) know this game is wonderful and will seldom leave. That amount of people which came to the game and left the game this season will probably be 16*10*90%= 144, that's about 1/3 of our countrysize (in managers) That's simply too much.

We should ask ourselfs "Why do they all leave?" and try to prevent that from happening. If you could make the percentage fallouts smaller, than the game will grow, and advertisements will bear more fruit then they do now.

Arsjitekt - NT Coach The Netherlands

Furthermore, there is something that bothers me. I might be right, I might be wrong. But looking at the current division system in Holland we have:
one I (16 participants)
four II (64 participants)
sixteen III (256 participants)
sixtyfour IV (1024 participants)

I believe that the people playing in the I, II and III are filled
so are partly the IV.1 til IV.10, you fill these divisions in a good way, first the IV.1 full, than the IV.2 etcetera.

However when people demote from the III, these are 256/4 = 64 participants, they all go to a IV, filled with bot teams, that ain't much fun and a lot of those 64 teams stop playing. that's a shame. Wouldn't it be better that the divisionstructure in countries like the netherlands (where series don't fill quick enough) would get the bottleform first instead of the piramid form?

That means you'll get
one I (16 participants)
four II (64 participants)
sixteen III (256 participants)
sixteen IV (256 participants)

Yes, the playoffs structure has to get different in the IVth division, but I really think it is better for the game.

And (just brainstorming) when those are (almost) filled you go to a more piramidlike divisionstructure??:
That means you'll get
one I (16 participants)
four II (64 participants)
sixteen III (256 participants)
sixteen IV (512 participants)

I really think that it will keep more people in the game and it might be the right solution for countries where the divisions don't fill (we got the same amount of usres than last season?) anymore.

Van mij mag het ook in NL hoor, maar ik beantwoord nog even in Engels, wellicht heb je dat liever.

The primary goal of Edju and I isn't just to increase the amount of new managers. Basically it's increasing the profit of BuzzerBeater. This includes attracting more managers, but certainly also includes keeping them in game for longer. The average user that buys Supporter for the first time, plays the game for a season. We don't see many people that joined the game a week ago buying Supporter. As you probably know, Supporter is an important source of income, along with advertisements. If we don't manage to keep those users in game, we are missing potential Supporter sales and as you mention, advertisement income.

So indeed, we agree the churn rate is too high at the moment (and it will always be too high, until it's zero hehe). We also discussed the problem you noted here, but having such a structure also adds other problems. If put all relegated teams in the lowest divisions together in a human league, the majority of these teams will most likely never promote again. I'm not sure that will help as well. We also checked the quitting rates of people that relegate to human leagues and to bot leagues in the lowest divisions, and there only seems to be a small difference, way smaller than I expected.

I'm not sure what possiblities we got with a dynamic structure. It's very complicated to change the amount of leagues in a division, since you need to change the whole relegation/promotion system in between etc.
We might consider flatting leagues out in lower divisions, just as in HT f.e, where as you know the promotion rules for D4 to D3 are different than the ones for D10 to D9 etc.

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 03/19/2010 13:51:53

As a (soon) former U21 England coach, I have suggested an idea to BB-Edju that I feel it would benefit the England NT and U21 team and the new coaches, but I was told this was (most likely) not an option...

I admire your work to scout all these lower leagues and check all the time what teams are still active and what teams arent. There are only a handful off BB people and only 2 that have the task to bring new players to the game or keep exsisting ones in the game.

Like you have maybe noticed, we have in England the same problem, Austria and many similar sized countries have this problem. Teams in div III and IV come and go more often than trains stop at Utrecht station. For the BB game over all this is a loss, for the NT this means making progress for smaller countries like England or Holland is hard.

This is where my idea could fill that gap, but that idea was turned down. Let me try and explain. As a NT coach/team you spend alot off time checking lower leagues to find new teams with possible U21 and future NT players. What about giving the NT and/or U21 coaches a weekly or two weekly report with what teams signed up recently. This would make their job a lot easier. The way the BB game overal would benefit from this is quite obvious to me, not so obvious to others. The U21 and/or NT coach than could contact these new coaches, welcome them to the community in a personal way and not with the automated standard email, tell them about the buddy system, make them aware off the community and where they can find handy posts on the forums. You could also let them know how they could contribute making the U21 and NT stronger.

If I am a new player, it would give me a very big incentive to stay longer, than to get lost in this maze (bb isnt an easy game when you first start), and on the long term I am sure we would see more people stay playing BB. Even if it is only a few % off the new sign ups that stays, it would be a great gain on the long run...

What do you guys think?

Last edited by Astragoth at 03/19/2010 13:59:22

It will probably help a bit. For a U21/NT it is great. However looking at the problem, something bigger needs to be done.

Currently we got the BB-Buddy system in The Netherlands, managers who apply for a buddy are far more likely to stay. However the managers of new teams do seem to have difficulties to get to us. So we will now try to get to them. I'm curious to find out the rate will get better through this.