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From: Otaku

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63565.18 in reply to 63565.17
Date: 12/10/2008 7:22:53 AM
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Yes, I understood you and I said that I experience the same for all the positions (starter ~35 minutes, sub ~15). That's why I opened this topic, because it surprised me that my coach didn't pay attention to my orders and didn't start the player I wanted in my last 2 matches, and didn't use my sub PG also. Something is weird over there and I'm just trying to understand why that happened.

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63565.19 in reply to 63565.11
Date: 12/10/2008 8:41:52 AM
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Right. He will pick whoever he think is better ​when using LCD​. Obviously, that's why I am suggesting using Strictly Follow the Depth Chart instead.

I think it is al ost battle arguing with you but - LCD
. ​The coach will replace your starter if he decides that one of his substitutes is better fit for the position. ​

if you mean either
i) Strictly follow depth chart - you are confusing the asker here; coach will let the starter play and eventually will sub him because fouls stamina etc. Yes if the backup is significatnly better, he will (probably) send him on court a little bit sooner than in opposite case. But stamina and fopukl problems of the starter have much stronger impact.
ii)Let Coach Decide - No, that's simply not true, unless you are reffering to all dressed players as substitutes. And there is not really "the position".

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63565.20 in reply to 63565.19
Date: 12/10/2008 8:49:18 AM
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Then, judging by what the rules say, there's clearly a bug or something fishy here somewhere, because my starter did not start. Heck, he didn't even play the 1st match, and just played 1 minute the 2nd one (not starting).

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63565.21 in reply to 63565.20
Date: 12/10/2008 11:26:08 AM
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Then, judging by what the rules say, there's clearly a bug or something fishy here somewhere, because my starter did not start. Heck, he didn't even play the 1st match, and just played 1 minute the 2nd one (not starting).



The rules say:
The coach will sometimes use his own judgment to decide what the proper balance is between starters, backups, reserves, and even players on the bench but not in the depth chart at all. You can set the balance between how much coaches use their own judgment or defer to yours with the substitutions box. You can use entirely your judgment (Strictly Follow Depth Chart), entirely the coach's judgment (Let Coach Decide), a mix between the two (Coach Picks from Depth Chart), or you can use your depth chart strictly until the 4th quarter, then tell the coach to try and win the game however he thinks is best (Depth Chart until 4th).

Apparently the coach has decided that the player in question is not good enough to start. This is not a bug, unless something other than LCD has been used in the game that we're talking about.


edit: I found this in your other thread:
I know he can do whatever he wants with the player, but not change the starting lineup!
This is not correct. What you want to select for this to happen is Coach Picks from Depth Chart.

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 12/10/2008 11:29:22 AM

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63565.22 in reply to 63565.21
Date: 12/10/2008 12:22:21 PM
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Well, I just found a very long thread with a lot of users complaining of this same issue (even playing "strictly follow depth chart") in the bugs report section, so there's clearly something wrong here.

Maybe yes, the coach is changing my starter, but should it really be that way? Is it a bug or a feature? Besides, it's not only changing my starter, it's absolutely omiting my starter and he even plays the reserve player in his place.


Edit: besides, let's look at the rules:

Depth Chart

You can submit your starter and two backups at each position using the depth chart. Your starter will typically play as many minutes as he can (as long as he is not tired and does not have foul trouble), and when a backup would be more effective, the coach will make a switch.
Substitution Pattern

The coach will sometimes use his own judgment to decide what the proper balance is between starters, backups, reserves, and even players on the bench but not in the depth chart at all. You can set the balance between how much coaches use their own judgment or defer to yours with the substitutions box. You can use entirely your judgment (Strictly Follow Depth Chart), entirely the coach's judgment (Let Coach Decide), a mix between the two (Coach Picks from Depth Chart), or you can use your depth chart strictly until the 4th quarter, then tell the coach to try and win the game however he thinks is best (Depth Chart until 4th).


There in the rules it never says that the coach will change your starting lineup. You can clearly see that you can change his behaviour throughout the match, following your instructions or doing whatever he wants, but with certain limits and there they key word is "balance", not "change". I think he should never change your starting lineup. I'm ok with him changing the starting player in the 5th second in the 1st quarter if he wants, but he should start the player I want, that's why I set up a starting lineup, isn't it?

Last edited by Otaku at 12/10/2008 12:29:50 PM

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63565.23 in reply to 63565.22
Date: 12/10/2008 12:29:05 PM
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Well, I just found a very long thread with a lot of users complaining of this same issue (even playing "strictly follow depth chart") in the bugs report section, so there's clearly something wrong here.
Right. This is, however, a different issue.


Maybe yes, the coach is changing my starter, but should it really be that way?
Yes.

As I said, there is another option that does exactly what you expected (not changing the starters), and this is Coach Picks from Depth Chart.


Besides, it's not only changing my starter, it's absolutely omiting my starter and he even plays the reserve player in his place.
The coach evaluates your players based on their skills. Since there are 12 players in the roster, and generally only 5 starters and 5 backups are needed, the remaining 2 will obviously not play much

And since your starter (or at least the player that you pointed to in your first post) has a salary of $2,900 so I have no difficulties imagining him being one of the two worst players selected for the game.



Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 12/10/2008 12:29:40 PM

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63565.24 in reply to 63565.23
Date: 12/10/2008 12:44:21 PM
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Hmm, he's not the worst player. I wouldn't say the best either, but in the middle. If you look at my roster, you will see that most the players I have are 18 year olds (it's a new team, cmon). But yes, I understand what you say and I will see in the next match to select that option.

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63565.25 in reply to 63565.23
Date: 12/10/2008 12:55:21 PM
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Maybe yes, the coach is changing my starter, but should it really be that way?
Yes.

As I said, there is another option that does exactly what you expected (not changing the starters), and this is Coach Picks from Depth Chart.

I am very sorry, but I keep totally disagreeing with you. If I am wrong I will humbly apologise, but in order for the coach to do this (not changing the starters), you use "strictly follow depth chart" and you put a worse player on the bench than your starter is or if you can afford it with regards to play minutes, you put no player on the bench at all for that position. not "coach picks from depth chart"... I know this for 99.9% for sure, because I play every single game with this setting...

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63565.26 in reply to 63565.25
Date: 12/10/2008 12:59:24 PM
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Maybe yes, the coach is changing my starter, but should it really be that way?
Yes.

As I said, there is another option that does exactly what you expected (not changing the starters), and this is Coach Picks from Depth Chart.

I am very sorry, but I keep totally disagreeing with you. If I am wrong I will humbly apologise, but in order for the coach to do this (not changing the starters), you use "strictly follow depth chart" and not "coach picks from depth chart"...

Well, Strictly Follow Depth Chart will result in minutes being distributed between starters, backups, and reserves (if needed) according to their depth chart assignment and not their skill.

Coach Picks from Depth Chart is somewhere in the middle between the two, so I imagine he will pick the players as assigned in their positions, but might distribute minutes as he sees fits. I expect this not to involve him replacing the starters from the get-go, but then again, I might be wrong.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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63565.27 in reply to 63565.26
Date: 12/10/2008 1:16:29 PM
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you could be right... like i said i don't know either. like i said in previous posts, I cheat the "strictly follow depth" chart option. I make sure I have no backups and reserves set for my trainees and that way I can play them 48 minutes a game and train 6 players. I have hardly ever seen the coach put someone I put as a backup or starter on a total different position, but it does happen there too. look at my games and some games my guards played 46 or 47 minutes instead off 48. having picked no backups and no reserves. That is why we are having this discussion don't we? To compare the different options and how they play out for everyone etc... I havent checked the rules yet, but do they mention anything about this at all?

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63565.28 in reply to 63565.27
Date: 12/10/2008 1:17:25 PM
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Rules > Tactics:
Substitution Pattern

The coach will sometimes use his own judgment to decide what the proper balance is between starters, backups, reserves, and even players on the bench but not in the depth chart at all. You can set the balance between how much coaches use their own judgment or defer to yours with the substitutions box. You can use entirely your judgment (Strictly Follow Depth Chart), entirely the coach's judgment (Let Coach Decide), a mix between the two (Coach Picks from Depth Chart), or you can use your depth chart strictly until the 4th quarter, then tell the coach to try and win the game however he thinks is best (Depth Chart until 4th).

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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