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I feel like I'm kind of repeating myself here but as the worries about the prediction feature continously come down to whether or not some tactics work I will once again try to explain my point of view. I simply cannot agree with the premise that tactical imbalance is a game engine problem. The reasoning is imo flawed as it somewhat contradicts itself. If the input is wrong you cannot blame the process from giving the wrong output, you need to fix the input first.

Too often people are comparing an offense tactic with it's counterpart on defense while teams are only optimized for one of the two. At the inside spectrum people say well teams are optimized to play LI (offense), but its counterpart 2-3 (defense) is broken because nobody finds developing skillsets to fit such tactics efficient enough to try. For outside teams are optimized on OD (defense) but teams basically have low or no JR (offense) so we call outside offense tactics underpowered. This is a reasoning I cannot follow, if you want to judge the process (whether the tactic works) you first need to have adequate input. BB was never designed for each team to be able to run every tactic with maximum efficiency at every moment in time.

I believe managers first optimized player skillsets for salary and then just picked a tactic with it that would utilize these player skillsets best, which ('coincidentally') appeared to be LI. This doesn't mean that tactic is or was overpowered, but if you set a tactic with optimized input against a tactic with 'random' input which do you expect to win?

The prediction feature shouldn't be linked to a specific tactic as well. I believe the change in salary formula along with the last seasons SB changes will show its results in a few seasons from now - not immediately as still most players are trained in the same way, which is impossible to change in a single season. The prediction feature simply helps reducing the dominance of one single tactic, irrelevant of which it is - in season 5 this would have been Run n Gun, in season 24 Look Inside - as the more dominant one tactic is, the higher the incentive to switch to another as your opponent will set defense right too often.
You might compare it with a cartel problem, if you set prices with your competitors there will always be a huge incentive for one of the parties to reduce the price just a tiny bit so that the whole world would buy its products and its competitors will go bankrupt for not selling a single item. There is a clear incentive to switch from the status quo.

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 9/24/2013 11:21:28 AM

I simply cannot agree with the premise that tactical imbalance is a game engine problem.

You think it makes sense that playing a LI causes your backcourt outside shooters to perform worse? Sounds like the opposite of reality to me.

I simply cannot agree with the premise that tactical imbalance is a game engine problem.

You think it makes sense that playing a LI causes your backcourt outside shooters to perform worse? Sounds like the opposite of reality to me.

When you have guys who have maybe 2/3 the JR as the OD on the man guarding them, who are only shooting from outside when they're forced to rather than taking open shots, it's no surprise that they're bricktastic. But I suppose upping that would go a long way in solving the problem of that whole underpowered LI offense that everyone's on about. ;)

Let me be the first to complain about something positive to me.

I relegated to Div V,won my first league away game (TV game),and in my first home game I got a full attendance.

Yes,my prices were really low,but still,it seems too much.

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/143413/arena.aspx

The last time I was relegated was a long time ago (different team) and I remember going undefeated for a while and still not filling up the stadium.Today I made exactly the same I was making in Div IV.


Edit:10k more actually.

Last edited by Vari3 at 9/24/2013 1:46:38 PM

Mods, you're just going to let him get away with jokes? What is this the wild wild BB USA west. At least give him a yellow card or some kind of demerit.

How exactly am I to maintain the passionate and angry side of debate in this type of environment!?

they can run 50,000 games of every tactic match up with every player having every skill at 15. They know whether the GE works. They also know if the salary formula doesn't once players started looking for the metagaming opportunites within wage-effiiciency and what we know about free skillz became what we know.

What we are getting told, I think, is that the salary formula is now roughly in line with how the GE actually works.

I also think this is bunkum, kind of. Because of the real situation of mammoth OD + mammoth enthusiasm rendering players like a 20JS/15JR combo guard unable to shoot more than a whopping 18% from 3pt distance over a season of non-LI offence (my own experience). Hopefully, the other counter measures go some way to addressing this.

Last edited by Elmacca at 9/24/2013 7:42:51 PM