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245985.189 in reply to 245985.182
Date: 8/29/2013 5:00:30 PM
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Wolph I am going to have to disagree with you. I have 3 high quality big men that I have played this season each with radically diferent skillsets.

Sonada is basically all primaries. He has high IS but little JS or DR. Total 30 points of offensive skills.
Eita Wakatsuki has incredible secondaries as well as very high IS. Total 46 points of offensive kills.
Takayoshi Kishita doesn't even know what the basket looks like he has ridiculously low IS. Total 24 points of offensive skills.


So surely if IS was as key as everyone thinks Sonada and Eita would score at a much better rate than Kishita.

Sonada hits at 59%.
Eita hits at 54%.
Kishita hits at 53%.

Eita has nearly DOUBLE the offensive skills & hits 1% better. EIta has much better offensive skills than Sonada but hits at a 5% lower rate.

It makes no sense to me. :P

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245985.190 in reply to 245985.173
Date: 8/29/2013 7:17:26 PM
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What was the OD? Did you not see my point that its pointless to make such an evaluation on bigs that don't have OD??? If they don't have OD, of course their D sucks. What we need to know is, given OD, can SB make an impact?


That's stupid
If you're going up against a post up guy in a look inside offense than I shouldn't have to worry about his OD
THAT'S the whole point
man to man, A guy that can stop inside offense and block shots, why the hell SHOULD he need OD???????????????????????
That's what guards are for, to try and stop the pass from coming in
but once it's there....Opposing Center trying to score at the basket....CAN YOU STOP HIM???

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Date: 8/29/2013 7:39:03 PM
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What was the OD? Did you not see my point that its pointless to make such an evaluation on bigs that don't have OD??? If they don't have OD, of course their D sucks. What we need to know is, given OD, can SB make an impact?


That's stupid
If you're going up against a post up guy in a look inside offense than I shouldn't have to worry about his OD
THAT'S the whole point
man to man, A guy that can stop inside offense and block shots, why the hell SHOULD he need OD???????????????????????
That's what guards are for, to try and stop the pass from coming in
but once it's there....Opposing Center trying to score at the basket....CAN YOU STOP HIM???


Yes, and that's precisely why in every basketball league in the world, big men just sit around under the basket rather than trying to prevent entry passes from reaching their man -- because that's guards' work. And before the "this is BB not RL", if a PF gets the ball and is going to pass it to the C, but neither of the defending PF or C have any OD, you just got dunked on. If you're weak on OD on your big men, you're going to give up more open shots than if you had OD on them, guaranteed - and significantly so.

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245985.195 in reply to 245985.188
Date: 8/30/2013 1:19:26 AM
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salary is everything for a team on bb. we cant neglect something because its such and such level it don't matter.

If is the case then why are managers screaming to the gms of bb not allow team in the lower brackets to afford 300K players? f salary means nothing then it should be no issue? understand its a Br rule, but same its salary rule. Salary matters

My center get fouls because of sb Increase by BB Ge,before this he never got this many fouls. t has nothing to do with trainng stamina, game shape. It some kind of silly high sb penalty. thnk my bg od, jr.jr. pa.MY C way better than yours not being rude. does your center have jr 13. js 13. pa 8. od 13. ha 12 is 10. id 11 sb 12?. I doubt it

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245985.196 in reply to 245985.191
Date: 8/30/2013 1:39:54 AM
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don't you mean inside defense you can't dunk from the 20 ft area. LOL ok maybe on BB

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245985.198 in reply to 245985.194
Date: 8/30/2013 8:10:27 AM
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I also thought that IS was not a factor in driving layups, but it is. DR helps you get open/uncontested. IF the opponent/opponent team has high enough pressure rating, SB and to a lesser extent ID will make driving layups miss. I understand the idea you don'T need IS for driving layups, I experimented with it. It's just not true. I am moving towards building a 10+ SB and OD for all positions team (nowhere near the goal right now). I think if you can do that, if you can have all your ODs in the teens and you can have all your SBs (guards too) over 10...I think you will stop more driving layups and/or prevent them from happening.


The USA offsite has a lot of analysis about what skills are used to determine the success of the various type of shots, both offensively and defensively, and contested vs. uncontested. Based on wozzvt's number crunching, in the most general terms, IS doesn't increase your chance of making a contested drive (it does, however, help on uncontested ones, so maybe I should have phrased what I said differently).

And I'm certain you'll enjoy the 10OD across the board. I can't speak to the SB part of that, but the OD is quite nice.

When IS loses to the opponent ID and pressure, the team will shoot outside more. IF this is what you want anyway, maybe not a bad strategy. In my experience though teams that are limited in offensive options don't do well overall, they take more rushed and sloppy shots IMO. I think the quality of opportunites reduces each time one is 'passed up'...or somethign along those lines in the GE. Obviously the rate of this is probably relevant to the strategy used. So far people have seen only high paced offenses do well, motion and LI.
IN real basketball high paced offences will give up easy buckets to the opponent, there is a defensive liability. In BB it seems this doesn't really happen (no connection between your defence and offence, all half-court calculations, not full court) so what is the benefit of slowing down your offence? For the way most teams and players are built, for now, it seems the faster paced offences are dominate. For these offences atleast I think you suffer when your team is not diverse scoring wise.


As far as offensively, I'm going to admit I have no clue - the player on my team with the highest JS shoots barely 41% on open jumpers and 56% when contested over the last two seasons, which makes no sense to me at all. But for me at least, slowing the tempo and thereby reducing the number of possessions for each team makes the effects of turnovers increase, and since my team commits the fewest turnovers and causes the most in the league, that's a pretty decent advantage. Generally speaking, I want to get 20 points or more and hold my opponents to under 20 in each quarter - and if that happens all four quarters of course I win. Rarely does it actually work out like that, and I'll have stretches where points just don't come and other stretches where one of the outside shooters lights it up and the points pile on.

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245985.199 in reply to 245985.195
Date: 8/30/2013 8:24:24 AM
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salary is everything for a team on bb. we cant neglect something because its such and such level it don't matter.

If is the case then why are managers screaming to the gms of bb not allow team in the lower brackets to afford 300K players? f salary means nothing then it should be no issue? understand its a Br rule, but same its salary rule. Salary matters

My center get fouls because of sb Increase by BB Ge,before this he never got this many fouls. t has nothing to do with trainng stamina, game shape. It some kind of silly high sb penalty. thnk my bg od, jr.jr. pa.MY C way better than yours not being rude. does your center have jr 13. js 13. pa 8. od 13. ha 12 is 10. id 11 sb 12?. I doubt it


I'm not sure how my big men compare to your center, because I'm not sure what rules apply in the make-believe land where your player exists. The only two skills you didn't list are driving and rebounding, and the skills you did list are those that would have a salary of 31k as a shooting guard (assuming 1s in DR and RB, which wouldn't even be possible with that build). You have one player above 30k on your roster, a PG, and taking DR to 20 still wouldn't switch his salary anywhere near enough to be a PG. Likewise, taking the player's RB to 20 would still take him nowhere near a C - he'd be a SF in the salary formula, with C being his fourth highest salary.

Having to resort to lying says all we need to know about how much credibility you should be given in this discussion. Good day.

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