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From: rcvaz

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111222.19 in reply to 111222.18
Date: 9/17/2009 6:56:13 AM
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Thanks for your reply. Instead of a random distribution couldn't you make a gaussian distribution?

I know height plays a role in training, but I've seen 6'0 guys start with reasonable inside skills. As for my example I understand that the guy with bigger potential has a higher ceiling. But you're not getting what you think you're getting. For example, if you are in real need of a good PF, if besides their skill and potential you knew their heights you would always take the 2nd guy. And the first guy has a 5-star skill as a PF, so he can be a long way from becoming a good SG or SF. I'm just saying because it happened to me in my draft. I wanted to draft a big guy and I drafted 2 PF's, one was 6'4 the other was 6'5. I had to sell the first one, which was my first pick, and I'm turning the second into a SF. So my first pick was kind of wasted in that sense. Don't you think that besides skill, potential and age one should also scout players' heights?

From: CrazyEye

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111222.20 in reply to 111222.19
Date: 9/17/2009 7:37:59 AM
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Thanks for your reply. Instead of a random distribution couldn't you make a gaussian distribution?


isn't Gaussian a random funktion?


I know height plays a role in training, but I've seen 6'0 guys start with reasonable inside skills. As for my example I understand that the guy with bigger potential has a higher ceiling. But you're not getting what you think you're getting. For example, if you are in real need of a good PF, if besides their skill and potential you knew their heights you would always take the 2nd guy.


i would take the most promising guy and sell him and get one from the transfer list for my training ;) Because you ahd to be very lucky to find someone who fit in your training plan.

From: rcvaz

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111222.21 in reply to 111222.20
Date: 9/17/2009 9:47:09 AM
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When I say random I mean that it is equally probable for a player to have any height between 5'9 and 7'6. A gaussian distribution would be centered on some point and have a certain width. For instance, for C's it could be centered at 7'0 with a width of 2 inches. This means 68% of the C's generated would have height's between 6'10 and 7'2, with 7'0 being the most probable outcome. Then you would have 13% between 7'2 and 7'4 and 13% between 6'8 and 6'10, and 2% above 7'4 and another 2% below 6'8, etc.

I didn't have a training plan, this guy I drafted is my main prospect, so the training plan is all around him :P. Buying guys on the TL is a good option, but I'd need a lot of money to get a really good prospect and I don't have it right now, so I'm just waiting to grab someone forgotten by everyone else on the cheap

From: CrazyEye

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111222.22 in reply to 111222.21
Date: 9/17/2009 11:52:22 AM
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A gaussian distribution would be centered on some point and have a certain width


a gaussian distibution, normally fills the full room of prohability ;) And as i said in my first post to you, this is actually implemented.

Maybe you could watch for centers below 1.85 with more then 3k salary and 18 year old(for them training shouldn't matter). You will find 141 point guard with this requirement, but just 4 centers.
The skills are distributed, depending on the heigth, so big player have good chanches to get high center skills, and bad chanches to get low guars skills - so it will fit in the end ;) The most players who aren't in the expected range are easily to train to the "expected" positions, or full morons(thats why i made also the limit with the salary).

I didn't have a training plan, this guy I drafted is my main prospect, so the training plan is all around him :P


So train him in the position who fit to his size, not the position the sytem gives him.



From: rcvaz

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111222.23 in reply to 111222.22
Date: 9/17/2009 4:00:44 PM
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Ok, I didn't know how it worked, but if it's a gaussian distribution then it makes sense. Thanks for your replies and I am training my 6'5 guy to be an SF ;)

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111222.24 in reply to 111222.23
Date: 9/17/2009 5:45:25 PM
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I believe what he was trying to say is "uniform" distribution.

Either way, since no-one has bothered to check whether there is some relationship between height and the initial distribution of skills (quite easy to do, by the way), I don't see how we can talk about changing it already.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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111222.25 in reply to 111222.15
Date: 9/17/2009 7:57:02 PM
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Nor are there in Buzzerbeater. I don't know about you, but in the three leagues I follow the smallest big is a 6'6 PF, who just happened to be an exceptional 18 year old with hall of fame potential during the time the team was created. Also a 6'6 C who comes off the bench. So the system obviously isn't broke. Most of the guys that are too little move to smaller positions and vice versa(for example, a team in my old league drafted a 3.5k 6'4 PF in the first round, 2 seasons later he's a 5.5k SF)

And Dirk is an EXCEPTIONAL driver, I have no idea what you are talking about. He's not exactly going to be a point guard, but he can take his man off the dribble from the perimeter any day of the week.

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111222.26 in reply to 111222.25
Date: 9/17/2009 8:14:51 PM
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You can go to the transfer list and look for C's with a maximum height of 6'0. Right now there are 11 guys there on the TL. I drafted a 6'5 PF and I'm turning him into and SF like that team you mentioned, but that is exactly my point! This guy is not going to be a PF. IF I knew he was 6'5 maybe I wouldn't put him that high on my draft order. I'll give you my example again. You need a PF and on your draft there are 2 PF's with 5-star skill, one is 6'3 and has 5-star potential, the other is 6'10 and has 4-star potential. Since scouts don't give you their height, you pick the small guy first. But if you knew he was 6'3 you would pick the other guy, right? (on the basis that you wanted a PF, not on the basis of taking the best talent avaliable and turning him into the best position possible)

Believe me, I'm a big fan of Dirk Nowitzki, I love the way he can shoot and he's probably one of the toughest guys to defend in the league. Of course he can dribble, shake off his defender, drive to the basket, etc. But I was saying he's not the main ball handler. In a 24s possession, LeBron may have the ball in his hands all the time and do the ball distribution himself, Dirk doesn't do that. That's what I meant

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111222.27 in reply to 111222.26
Date: 9/18/2009 2:28:45 AM
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There is no way that the draft can provide any more information for prospects that it already does. That's what I can tell you for sure.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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111222.28 in reply to 111222.24
Date: 9/18/2009 3:44:50 AM
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Either way, since no-one has bothered to check whether there is some relationship between height and the initial distribution of skills (quite easy to do, by the way), I don't see how we can talk about changing it already.


i don't say it everytime for fun, there is a clearly distribution and most of the player with "good" initial skills, have the "right" hight.

Yesterday i checked it or the Xth time, and there was 141 P<g below 1.85, with 18 years(no training) and at least 3000$ salary but just four centers.

i also see this everytime in the draft who i draft fr the the german NT, where you don't see promising players with the total wrong hight(ok some of them, but them usually with the 1.9X, which isn't totally wrong) and most of the 2.20+ players have lots of 1 in the top 6 skills.

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111222.29 in reply to 111222.27
Date: 9/18/2009 4:49:17 AM
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Why not give us players' heights as well? If a scout can find out how old a player is he could surely find out how tall he is. Are you saying height is only generated when the draft takes place?

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