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119171.21 in reply to 119171.19
Date: 11/19/2009 6:03:30 PM
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While you we clearly have outside vs outside players at guard, and inside vs inside at PF/C, the SF is a possible mismatch, so I excluded it.

The problem is, the ratings don't tell us much about the nature of the mismatch, and whether or not you exploit a mismatch is a different issue altogether.

I have noticed in my own games that it's harder to exploit a mismatch with a big man at SF, but this is partially because by running an outside player there you're likely getting the benefit of better handling and passing at that position, and the better offensive flow helps you capitalize.

Though I can't say for certain there is an issue with ratings -- simply because it's quite hard to compare apples to apples here.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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119171.22 in reply to 119171.16
Date: 11/20/2009 3:08:26 AM
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Getting the ball to an inside player is not ONLY about the passing skill of guards.

Why do you think that? Surely not, other things are factors too.

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119171.23 in reply to 119171.22
Date: 11/20/2009 3:48:26 AM
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The comma in your sentence has me confused. Either the comma is really supposed to be there and you believe I meant the opposite of what I said, or the comma was put there by mistake and you are using sarcasm to indicate your agreement with my premise.

I'm not sure why you'd bother with either, but I am overcome with curiosity to know which it is.

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119171.24 in reply to 119171.23
Date: 11/20/2009 5:06:27 AM
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Neither, I just misread it. You should used caps for NOT instead only:)

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119171.25 in reply to 119171.24
Date: 11/20/2009 12:54:57 PM
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That's what the first option I gave means :)

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119171.26 in reply to 119171.11
Date: 11/20/2009 1:45:28 PM
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Hmm, your game is a good example of the problem I had as well.

I was an inside team, making use of leaks in the old engine by ignoring my guards and using the powerfull inside tactics. My higher IS almost always won from the higher ID.

However in the new engine it isn't that simple anymore. You can't just ignore your guards. You need to have guards that can actually bring the ball to your dominating inside men, thus you need offensive flow in the new engine. Chile clearly lacked that. While they dominated at the inside, the guards took 33 shots. The guards and SF (who was dominated by his opponent) took 54 shots out of a total of 87.

The C/PF took 33 shots, hit 18 of it. That's pretty decent shooting.

I don't know if it's true or not that the IS rating is off, I didn't study many games, but what I do know is that many teams ignored their outside game, focussing on playing a PF/C at the SF position to dominate the inside in the old engine. And that many of those teams, (myself included) started to complain about the inside when the new engine was released. It took me a while to realise the problem wasn't the engine, nor the ratings. It was the lack of ability of my guards to deliver the ball.


So what did you do to rectify this problem? Just got better passing guards or was it more complicated than that (involving other skills)?

Does having Driving on your post (inside) player help? Most people don't train their big men with driving.


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119171.27 in reply to 119171.26
Date: 11/20/2009 3:47:21 PM
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Most people don't train their big men with driving.


I know many that do. But i agree that (vast?) majority don't. It caould be one of those regional think tank things.

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119171.28 in reply to 119171.26
Date: 11/20/2009 8:01:51 PM
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Hmm i dont know if driving at inside men helps, i dont see a huge difference between my 10+ dr guys and the oldschool c's, but i dont know how i could see that as well.
Indeed, i bought a lot of offensive flow, a little bit more passing than handling though

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119171.29 in reply to 119171.28
Date: 11/29/2009 3:29:23 AM
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For a guard, shooting 45 % is quite good.
For a post player, shooting 60% is quite good.
If this is true, and I think it is, (http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/FieldGS.jsp?league=0...)
then I think a stronger IS rating should be expected, since the ratings are not calculated relative to one another.

Also, while I agree that a big man's ability to receive the ball is important, to claim that passing is "ridiculously simple" makes me wonder why there are very few Steve Nash's and a lot of Mike Conley's.

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.