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I see now what you mean.

the 'second' change wasn't liked by me either. They announced it, and indeed there never has been a period in which you could diminish the affected seats, as the BBs did that automatically.

Personally, I went from 1000 courtside, selling 750 or so, down to 500, which is why I don't like it. But take it from me, everyone who had more then 500, was broken down to 500 and received his money back, same for arena's which had over 50 VIPs, so there was no need to give opportunities to diminish arena's as it wasn't needed for the second change.

So anyone waiting for the period in which they can diminish their courtside to 500 and VIP to 50: good news, wait no longer, it already has been done for you, at no cost, no waiting time, and total refund.

Hope this answer is satisfying?

my problem was more then i planned with more courtside and vip, but still want to get the 20k seats and i don't have infinite founds. So that affected me that way, that i planned with more bleachers to get faster to the 20k, then i would done with the new system(because i would spend my mone in a different way into the arena).
So for me there was place to react. And maybe that doesn't affected so much people, but i also didn't see the need for an announce changed view minutes after the period to calculate with it expired, for a well known problem.

nobody should see the 20k limit on arena's as a fixed number.
even if someone had no courtside nor VIP and build a 20k arena, it would still be very interesting to add the 500 courtside and 50 VIP, which would make 20550 seats.

I sold over 21k for seasons now...


the 550 seats diffrence there possibly is by no, or full, of these types is just not big enough to make a problem about this.

i am below 20k nearly all the time, and personally think that 19,5k visitors already get affected through the cap so that i don't want to push to hard above it.

And who said that i will be just 500 seats above it.

Edit: i just mean, that this could affect planning, and that it would be nice that old users don't get pushed to a vconfiguration, they maybe wouldn't choosed ;) A limit on one thing, could also affect others.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 9/26/2010 2:15:01 PM

no matter how hard I try, I still can't see why limitting the courtside seats and VIP boxes, could negatively affect anyone, towards planning and diminishing their arenas...

If you say: ok it's because I wanted to get to 20k fast and therefor build other seats first. then... how do you explain that limitting to 500 and 50 would be negative compared to being able to build more?

if they would choose an other configuration, and they build more courtside seats for example, so they build less other, then they could still fill up with other seats as soon as it was announced, and still can...

I can see it affects things, but I can't see it affects users negatively. Please try to give me 1 example in which it totaaly screws up things for someone, and explain why it does, as I honestly can't find an example.
(And please do not give as example that users might want to go to less then 500 and 50, as if they did, they shouldn't have biuld them in the first place, and even if they did they had a chance to diminish them in season 12, and it actually has nothing to do with the hardcap of the fixed numbers the BB put on them)

I see someone ask where the chance for diminishing is, while the diminishing already happened automatically. Something that happens automatically doesn't need a possibility for users to do it, as it can not be done twice... or am I missing something.

If you say: ok it's because I wanted to get to 20k fast and therefor build other seats first. then... how do you explain that limitting to 500 and 50 would be negative compared to being able to build more?

let say you have an etat from 5 miollions to build your arena, one time you build 100/1000 vip/sourtside next time just 50/500. Would your arena look the same?

So you should look for more seats not for less ;)

no matter how hard I try, I still can't see why limitting the courtside seats and VIP boxes, could negatively affect anyone, towards planning and diminishing their arenas...

It does, because it looks really weird. Imagine that you couldnt build to yourself a house efen if you had a money for that. Its like twisted communism.

Even if you had gazillion dollars, you could not make all the seats courtside. We can argue how many rows (and how many seats you can fit in one row) are actually considered courtside. 500 seems a normal enough number for that, 5 rows with 100 seats each or 10 rows with 50 seats each. Whichever you like. I believe we can agree that there can not be 5000 seats courtside. Even if you build a small glass bowl to surround the court and clue people to it, you still could not prolly find room for 5000...

Good point. But how is possible that you can find so many visitors intirested to see a match? This is something I cannot understand.

Imagine that once you start to play a game, you need to build up arena over and over. So while we are talking about how realistic is to fit in 5000 courtside seats, I doesnt understand how realistic is to get so many interested fans, willing to go in there.

I agree that in real life there is no way we get 20k people coming to watch our first division game. But the attendance has to be similiar for all countrys because it's needed to run the game. Some things you can't take from real life, some you can.
You can look at filling the arena this way. You start out with an arena that has space for 25k (or whatever number you like to build). You have 50 vip boxes, but theyr interior is not finished. So before you finish that you can not sell it to someone. Or you have a spot to install coutside seats, but you have to buy the seats.

Hmm, what about have it this way - you have some space available (well, might be for 40k bleachers alone or for 800 VIP seats (example)). You can build whatever you like, however your space is limited.

That means you can develop your arena for the guy who will visit you like on every game and like to pay for it, but there are plenty of these which like to see just winning or somehow interresting games.

So there is a dilema between stable lower income and unstable higher income. Well, how unstable will be, depends pretty much on your skills and your winning strikes.

So we would see by the time arenas like:

Bleachers : 15000
Lower Tier : 8000
Courtside Seats : 330
Luxury Boxes : 15

Bleachers : 5000
Lower Tier : 3000
Courtside Seats : 1000
Luxury Boxes : 100

Indeed that is pretty rough, but you get the point..

Important is the fact that it would create a real reason for diminishing or recuperating arena with the time or will

Last edited by aigidios at 9/29/2010 12:42:34 PM