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185559.19 in reply to 185559.18
Date: 5/22/2011 9:15:26 PM
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I don't know if this will be helpful for anyone, but in my last private league game I played Look Inside. Here are the results from the inside-type shots of my shooting guard who has 14 driving and 1 inside shot. He was being guarded by a relatively equal defender who was about 3K more salary than my player. The other team played man to man.

Driving Layups: 4-11 Total
*2 of these layups were assisted
*2 of these layups were blocked
*1 layup (not reflected in the shot attempts above), resulted in a shooting foul

Inside Shots
*0-1 Inside shots
*0-1 "backs his defender down and shoots from close range"

So with atrocious driving, my player converted 36% of his layup attempts, and 0% of his "inside shots".

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185559.20 in reply to 185559.19
Date: 5/22/2011 9:42:47 PM
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Here is another case study. I don't think I'm allowed to post players who are on the transfer market, but I searched for one with 19 Driving and 1 Inside Shot

I took a look at a few of his play-by-plays this season. This one: (32933276), the player made 5-7 driving layups while playing Look Inside tactics.

I know he was playing being guarded by a far inferior player, but with only 1 inside shot, practically any defender should have more than 1 inside defense right?

So as has been said in this thread already, perhaps it is driving rather than inside shot that determines layup success....


Anyone else have a player with driving MUCH higher than driving? Would you be willing to analyze some play by plays and post here, similar to what I have done above?



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185559.21 in reply to 185559.17
Date: 5/23/2011 1:17:30 AM
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I've read that although it says JS for wingmen trains IS, no has ever seen it happen.

I have seen it happen at least 3 times. I trained 1 on 1 F's for 4 weeks in a row. Then I trained JS wingman and hed the player who didn't pop in IS pop..2 seasons ago I had a SG I was cross training. I gave him IS and then I followed it with JS F and then when I trained JS windman he popped. As you can see it does train it but very slow. I always train JS wingman after a training set of IS, 1 on 1 F , and JS F. By itself it would take at least 7 or 8 trainings to get the sub-level in IS to pop.

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185559.22 in reply to 185559.17
Date: 5/23/2011 5:00:00 AM
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I've read that although it says JS for wingmen trains IS, no has ever seen it happen.
I believe that it is useless to have DR higher than IS. I have a guard with atrocious DR and strong IS and he turns the ball over a lot less than another guard with proficient DR and inept IS.


i am training jump shot for wingmen this season, and i've done it before. All season long you should get about 2 pops in IS(3 if you're lucky).





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185559.23 in reply to 185559.20
Date: 5/23/2011 6:25:25 AM
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Anyone else have a player with driving MUCH higher than driving? Would you be willing to analyze some play by plays and post here, similar to what I have done above?


Driving much better than driving? You mean driving better than IS, I guess... I have SG Paiva with DRI at 11 and IS at 1. I can't analyze play-by-plays because I'm not supporter. But check out this info...

30-4 look inside, Paiva's FG% 5-15 (24 mins)
3-5 look inside, 0-11 (37 mins)
5-5 push the ball, 0-1 (only 6 mins though)
7-5 look inside, 3-7 (14 mins)
10-5 push the ball, 2-17 (40 mins)
12-5 look inside, 4-5 (14 mins)
14-5 look inside, 2-6 (28 mins)
17-5 look inside, 2-5 (14 mins)
19-5 low post, 4-9 (26 mins)
21-5 run and gun, 10-18 (36 mins)

When he has to drive inside in inside oriented attacks, he sux. But when he needs to shoot from perimeter, he's ok.

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185559.24 in reply to 185559.23
Date: 5/23/2011 10:46:17 AM
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It's driving. You really only need 2-4 IS for guards. It's a flaw in the game logic.

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185559.26 in reply to 185559.25
Date: 5/23/2011 3:52:56 PM
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Hmmm sounds like a little bit more inside shot, higher than atrocious, would help...any idea how long it would take to single-position-train a 6'0" player in inside shot to get 1 pop? (let's assume level 5 trainer...).

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185559.27 in reply to 185559.26
Date: 5/23/2011 4:37:03 PM
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18 year old? play him out of position and you should get a pop every 2 weeks. 22-23 year old, maybe even 4-5 weeks(depends on other skills, cap level, potential, no one could actually give you an exact number).

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185559.28 in reply to 185559.25
Date: 5/23/2011 5:47:12 PM
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True, although I'd rather offset that with higher DRV.

DRV contributes to higher offensive flow, right?

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185559.29 in reply to 185559.26
Date: 5/23/2011 7:23:29 PM
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I think training Driviing on forward position will be enough to raise IS (especially if the figure there is more than 2).
I've got 2 18y.o. small player (less than 190 sm) with IS (7) and Driving (5) and (6) when they were born. Now, with relatively small amount of Driving training they have 8 in both skills. Other possible option - JS for wingers. It looks like it also trains IS, but in our case Driving training is more efficient.

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