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From: Karl

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187558.19 in reply to 187558.16
Date: 7/29/2011 3:48:01 AM
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You know, most of the young bigs are a bust. Here is a list of american bigs who dont deserve their draft pick.

Jason Collier 15
Kwame Brown 1
Marcus Fizer 4
Stromile Swift 2
Melvin Ely 12
Marcus Haislip 13
Michael Sweetney 9
Robert Swift 12
Adam Morrison 3
Shelden Williams 5
Patrick Obryant 9
Hilton Armstrong 12
Robin Lopez 15
Hasheem Thabeet 2 The flop


And as you can see, I took players only from the top 15. So there is no difference between european and american bigs.

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187558.21 in reply to 187558.20
Date: 7/29/2011 5:10:35 AM
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Huh? Robin Lopez is a Center.

And I think we can say the same about American players. Michael Beasley? 2nd pick, even probable 1st pick, bust. Oden? 1st pick, constantly injured. Morrison (even if he's no Big Man)? 4th pick, ultimate bust. Tyrus Thomas? Shelden Williams?

It's not like NBA teams draft all that well. This has nothing to do with players being European or not, and everything with general hype and stupid GMs trying to outsmart everyone.

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187558.23 in reply to 187558.22
Date: 7/29/2011 11:51:56 AM
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Robin Lopez scored 20.4 ppg last season (in only his 3rd season). His FG percentage and rebounding aren't great, but for somebody taken with the 10th overall pick, I'm not sure I'd say he's a bust.

Morrison is a total bust, but he's really a wing.

Then there is Kevin Love that a lot of people were saying was too short and too slow out of college...and we see how right they were!



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187558.24 in reply to 187558.17
Date: 7/29/2011 3:26:15 PM
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I can't really explain Rubio other than hype and youth made it seem like he had unlimited potential -- but it sounds like he didn't develop much this year.

In general, I think there is a scarcity of bigger players (just because of the demographics) and thus the NBA is always looking for big men. In general, I think big men are drafted higher and more so on potential than a PG or wing. Thus there tends to be more big men "busts" -- not just American players, but from everywhere.




Oden being chosen over Durant is a prime example to go with Bowie over Jordan. Top bigs are rarer than top backcourt guys. Rubio seems like a media and PR move as much as a basketball one. I dont think the T-wolves expect him to be an answer to their woes. Being a backup on a poor team doesnt rate the attention, but his name and place of origin do.

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187558.25 in reply to 187558.24
Date: 7/29/2011 8:09:37 PM
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Oden was a good college player...if healthy, he may have been a really good player. Same with Bowie. Big guys seem to have a lot more aliments and health issues.

I'm not sure there is a logical reason why the Timberwolves do anything. That franchise is just messed up. At least with the Clippers, its only about the money and Sterling is maximizing that without any concern for the product he puts on the court.

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187558.26 in reply to 187558.25
Date: 7/30/2011 3:29:32 AM
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Oden was good in college, and big. I remember when the draft that year was pending and the buzz about Oden and Durant. I think that many people felt Durant was the safer pick, that his basketball skills were in the no-miss catagory. Wheras Oden, who was a great player but allready had injury issues, and there were questions about his mobility, etc. Oden had more upside, but Durant was the safer play. Pretty much how it turned out, too.

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187558.27 in reply to 187558.26
Date: 7/31/2011 7:35:06 AM
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Durant is now a top 5 player of the league, i think when this is the safe choiche you would have big him anytime.


But calling Oden a bust, is weird in my eyes because he is unlucky but a good player.

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187558.28 in reply to 187558.27
Date: 7/31/2011 12:36:18 PM
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Agreed...I think Durant has turn out to be better than most people thought he would on draft day. I think most people thought he'd be a good scorer...but he's proving to be a great player capable of winning the MVP.

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187558.29 in reply to 187558.27
Date: 7/31/2011 2:52:32 PM
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Man, if you dont think Oden is a bust, there are no busts. Oden has great talent, it is too bad we never get to find out because he is always, I mean ALWAYS, hurt. Bust has nothing to do with potential and everything to do with production. Oden was very lucky, it's the Blazers who are the unlucky ones.

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