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204214.19 in reply to 204214.18
Date: 12/14/2011 4:20:57 PM
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Sorry I haven't read the whole thread, but I thought stamina had to be trained, whereas game shape was based on playing time, on a bell curve. I bought 4 new players a couple weeks ago, all in poor condition, but I've gotten their minutes right and I've trained stamina and they're beginning to approach respectabiltiy.

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204214.20 in reply to 204214.19
Date: 12/14/2011 4:43:33 PM
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Stamina has to be trained, correct.

Gameshape can be done both ways. Obviously the smart way to keep high gameshape is to manage minutes properly but you can use your weekly training on gameshape as well.

I'm of the opinion that you should never waste training time on gameshape but I do know some owners that have trained it before important playoff games.

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204214.21 in reply to 204214.20
Date: 12/16/2011 6:59:44 AM
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(10821450)Emil played 37 mins last week. He's proficient today's update. The week before that he played 45 mins. He turned proficient at the next update. Two weeks of the number below what people thought was the minimum what a player should get. I just leave this data here for people to think about.

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204214.23 in reply to 204214.22
Date: 12/16/2011 9:03:14 AM
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Yeah like they have different range...for example some might be 38-58, some might be 48-58. And my rookie Khai just played 88 last week and maintained proficient (he played 70+ before that too), making a total of 5 straight weeks proficient. Both him and Emil have average stamina. Still, with people saying there's an element of randomness, I can never know for sure...

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204214.24 in reply to 204214.21
Date: 12/16/2011 1:37:53 PM
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You need to be careful about looking at a 1-2 week window for a player and making basing any conclusions about that. That is such a small subset of data. Like Ashurri said it does give a person something to think about and possibly something to study with more depth.

I tend to lean towards the random factor though to be honest.

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204214.25 in reply to 204214.21
Date: 12/20/2011 2:12:35 PM
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(10821450)Emil played 37 mins last week. He's proficient today's update. The week before that he played 45 mins. He turned proficient at the next update. Two weeks of the number below what people thought was the minimum what a player should get. I just leave this data here for people to think about.



48 isn't the minimum for game shape, it's just the minimum for max training benefit. I've had players improve game shape averaging 30 minutes a week.

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204214.26 in reply to 204214.25
Date: 12/20/2011 3:49:06 PM
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While this is true, most of the people that have been around here for awhile agree that 48-72 minutes per week is where you want to be to maintain high GS. 60 minutes being ideal.

You can get lucky with 30 minutes but if you give your player that number every week I find it hard to believe that he'll stay at high GS for very long.

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204214.27 in reply to 204214.25
Date: 12/21/2011 12:24:36 AM
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Yes, if you read what I wrote, I did not say it's not minimum for getting/maintaining a good GS. That's what people think/tell us in general.

edit: if you read what I wrote, Emil maintained proficient 2 weeks in a row having sub 48 mins 2 weeks in a row, 30+ and 45.

Last edited by Ashurri at 12/21/2011 12:25:11 AM

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204214.28 in reply to 204214.27
Date: 12/21/2011 8:16:01 PM
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Emil also had a lot more minutes the previous couple of weeks to possibly counteract the poor amount of playing time he is currently receiving.

Someone suggested to me a few weeks back that GS is based on a period of time as oppose to simply say the last week.

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204214.29 in reply to 204214.28
Date: 12/22/2011 4:25:54 AM
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Yes, that was me XD, and I got 2 balls in that thread you created.

It is generally agreed that the previous week before last counts too, and maybe to a lesser extent the week before that, so side by side with maintaining a good week minutes, you factor in previous weeks, and expect random things to happen. I purposely tried to get some players of mine under 48 mins because they played a lot the week before that, for example last week I made my PG Emil Schwartz get that 40-48 (45 to be exact) and he ended up staying proficient this week. I've done that many times; this is only something that I observed and tried. It works for me, but I'm not saying it's law.

btw my definition of perfect minutes is definitely not 66 xD


And you thanked me for that
Thanks to the guy who suggested that possibly an longer period affects gs, i think i did play weston too many minutes the week before (around 78) and i was lucky to stay at strong gs, so this could be a explanation, thanks man.





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