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273308.19 in reply to 273308.18
Date: 8/30/2015 4:53:21 AM
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If the site is down then aint auctions meant to be extended.

Trainerman has messaged me and expressed to me his thoughts that this wouldnt be a problem if autobid was in play.

To answer Trainermans other question, if I was to be officially told that its tough luck and that nothing could be done, then I would be extremely pissed.

Just wrong that a system problem can affect a Manager so heavily

If the system is incapable of running a "fair & proper" auction then the fix isnt hard, just cancel the sale and let the ripped off owner have the player back


Last edited by Sid Vicious at 8/30/2015 5:07:08 AM

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273308.20 in reply to 273308.19
Date: 8/30/2015 6:27:20 AM
Koopasaurus
ABBL
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"Just cancel the sale and let the ripped off owner have the player back"

So how do you explain that to Snow Boyz who just scored a bargain for McInery? It would make you happy but cause another to be disgruntled.

I know its a tough pill to swallow but what Ruidri said makes perfect sense.

From: Knecht

To: pete
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273308.21 in reply to 273308.11
Date: 8/31/2015 3:22:00 AM
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All current transfers should be frozen and extended for amount of time lost no matter when the actual deadline is.


That would be problematic too.

As I like to go with the flow, I will jump the bandwagon of managers ridiculing the OP and finish with a famous quote: HA! HA!

Größter Knecht aller Zeiten aka His Excellency aka President for Life aka Field Marshal Al Hadji aka Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas aka aka Conqueror of the Buzzerbeater Empire in Europe in General and Austria in Particular
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273308.22 in reply to 273308.21
Date: 8/31/2015 4:08:02 AM
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The game is in disrepute.

A manager being myself is a million dollars plus worse off because of the instability of the site.

Where is Marin?


The longer it takes for an announcement / remedy to be made, the deeper this game sinks into the depths of disrepute

Last edited by Sid Vicious at 8/31/2015 4:23:24 AM

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273308.23 in reply to 273308.22
Date: 8/31/2015 4:52:11 AM
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Everything has been said many many times.

1. It's your own fault
2. no "remedy" will be made


I once sold half my team and experienced a server downtime - lost millions myself. No reason to reward stupidity and help out in such a case. This ain't no game for fools.

Größter Knecht aller Zeiten aka His Excellency aka President for Life aka Field Marshal Al Hadji aka Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas aka aka Conqueror of the Buzzerbeater Empire in Europe in General and Austria in Particular
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273308.24 in reply to 273308.23
Date: 8/31/2015 5:34:08 AM
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Everything has been said many many times.


1. It's your own fault
- Its not my fault the server went down



2. no "remedy" will be made


If the server goes down auctions are supposed to be extended - this did not happen

I once sold half my team and experienced a server downtime - lost millions myself. No reason to reward stupidity and help out in such a case. This ain't no game for fools.


Unlike yourserlf I have been ranked as high as 10 in the world and I do not consider myself to be a fool

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273308.25 in reply to 273308.13
Date: 8/31/2015 5:36:32 AM
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Dear EGM-Perpete,

Im curious as to whether you have heard anything from Mr Marin in the last 2 days.


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273308.26 in reply to 273308.15
Date: 8/31/2015 7:20:52 AM
Nightearls
DBA Pro A
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Silver Onions
This whole discussion leads to nothing. We all know that Marin will not interrupt in the transfer. So I suggest to just end this discussion.

It is not a bug, at most it is a problem which is well known and which has a simple remedy of setting the initial price at the minimum a manager wants to receive.

Only in the dark, we succeed!
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273308.27 in reply to 273308.24
Date: 8/31/2015 7:40:52 AM
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Everything has been said many many times.


1. It's your own fault
- Its not my fault the server went down


2. no "remedy" will be made


If the server goes down auctions are supposed to be extended - this did not happen

I once sold half my team and experienced a server downtime - lost millions myself. No reason to reward stupidity and help out in such a case. This ain't no game for fools.


Unlike yourserlf I have been ranked as high as 10 in the world and I do not consider myself to be a fool


It's your fault you did not set the desired amount. If you are too lazy to type 7 digits it's your fault and you are a fool too. Everybody knows the servers are unstable during offseason processing.

Not gonna join your dick-measuring contest tho.

Last edited by Knecht at 8/31/2015 7:58:51 AM

Größter Knecht aller Zeiten aka His Excellency aka President for Life aka Field Marshal Al Hadji aka Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas aka aka Conqueror of the Buzzerbeater Empire in Europe in General and Austria in Particular
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273308.28 in reply to 273308.27
Date: 8/31/2015 8:17:15 AM
Kira Kira Koseki
II.3
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Everybody knows the servers are unstable during offseason processing.

We're seven games into the season. Off-season processing isn't a valid excuse for server issues.

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273308.29 in reply to 273308.28
Date: 8/31/2015 9:33:16 AM
TrenseRI
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So, looks like I have to repeat the same points again and again:

1. Server downtime is almost never planned. In cases when it is planned, we delay the transfers, in other cases we cannot do so because we don't know when they will happen. Unplanned means unpredictable. Are there any websites as complex as this one on the internet that don't experience crashes? It's possible, but I doubt they have our kind of resources to deal with it.

2. If you're asking why so many crashes this season? We had a lot of problems with the offseason calculation. They have, luckily, completed and the crashes related to them have gone away too. This crash was not related to the offseason. It is a random crash explained by out top expert (Charles) as "some problem from within the ASP design" that can happen at any time during the season. What can we do to prevent it? Not much.

3. When placing a player on the TL, we advise you put the lowest acceptable value (in this case 3M) as a starting price. This will insure that the player is never sold for less. Since crashes are unpredictable and virtually unpreventable, setting a lower value is considered risky. In these cases, the seller is accepting a small possibility of a server crash with hopes of getting buyers into a bid war and selling the player for much more than the lowest acceptable value, however the responsibility for the risk lies with the seller. So you see, as with everything in this game, this is a tradeoff. What you do is up to you and when things don't turn out as expected, you have to live with the consequences.

4. The sales finished during server downtime are never retroactively undone. This is because, as explained before, the responsibility lies with the seller.

Maybe we should put this in the rules and settle it once and for all. Actually, that is exactly what I will do.

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