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Date: 2/13/2016 6:31:27 PM
Milwaukee Lethargy
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I was in that league with Hrudey, & raised the same question. Think that at least one of the replacement teams was someone who used to play BB, quit, then decided to come back. (but could be wrong, it's been a while). So they weren't actually new IIRC.

But yeah, starting in D2 seems like a truly terrible idea for new users.



From: Phyr
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Date: 2/13/2016 8:29:51 PM
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Scalia went bot too.

From: GM-hrudey

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Date: 2/13/2016 8:41:28 PM
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Scalia went bot too.


Yes, but it happened late enough that we'll have to wait until the start of the season after next to replace his team.

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276359.22 in reply to 276359.19
Date: 2/13/2016 8:41:46 PM
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As I recall, the option to choose the level you start at was largely implemented so that in the smaller countries a person could choose to start in Div4 or Div3 rather than being forced to start in Div2 because it was the lowest one with human players. It is largely a side effect that in the larger counties it also means new players can start in Div2 or Div3 if there happen to be openings when they sign-up rather than starting in the lowest Div with human players, which used to be where all new teams were placed.

That said, I can't imaging a new team not being relegated from Div 2 in a large country unless they somehow managed to take over a team which had already locked up a top 5 conference position. So they will demote at the end of their first partial season; quite possibly also demoting from D3 at the end of the next season. The biggest impact might just be on preventing non-champion teams from lower divisions being promoted as part of bot-cleanup. As someone who has always felt that wasn't a way I'd want to advance myself, I actually see that as a positive effect.

Last edited by Alec Burke at 2/13/2016 8:43:19 PM

From: Phyr

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Date: 2/13/2016 8:50:01 PM
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BB-Obama gonna try to replace him now.

From: Jason
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Date: 2/14/2016 12:30:06 AM
Arizona Desert Storm
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Don't banned teams automatically go Bot and drop down if they are in Banned status as we go from one season to another?

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Date: 2/14/2016 3:10:36 AM
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Just about finished. I apparently didn't check #1 overall team Mars Aliens in III in the first game of the playoffs. Well he's flushed straight out in two games!?!?!
So that's the III slot is gone. With quite a few series wrapping up in IV, it looks like IV is down to 4 teams if I've checked everything correctly. Well, one should be autompromoting, so it's really down to two teams playing in game 3s and one eliminated team for the last slot.

Summary of the two teams that may be providing spots to move into:
Toronto Traptors (NBBA) - BOT demoting [1 spot for III+]
Marseillus (II.1) - still no login since 1/1... demoting [1 spot for IV+ if no login\early replacement]

Teams that appear to be autopromoting:
III #1: 22-0 (+754) Mars Aliens {III.14} knocked out in finals
IV #5: 22-0 (+1067) Hardmoney Outlaws {III.57} knocked out in finals

IV autompromote order (max 1 slot remaining):
2: 22-0 (+1318) Houston Legends {III.39} in finals, tied 1-1, lost road game 2, equal effort
6: 22-0 (+996) Curly Fries {III.31} in finals, tied 1-1, lost road game 2, equal effort
8: 22-0 (+889) Arstotzka BC {III.54} knocked out in r2

Feel free to doublecheck me!

Last edited by Shane Young at 2/14/2016 3:14:50 AM

From: GM-hrudey

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Date: 2/14/2016 8:50:18 AM
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Don't banned teams automatically go Bot and drop down if they are in Banned status as we go from one season to another?


Honestly, I'm not sure. I know unless it's changed recently that they still go through the seven week waiting period before they go bot, though, and I presume that's probably there for those cases where appeals are successful. That's probably a good thing, since I imagine a time or two in II.4 when I lost the finals I might otherwise have felt a real urge to go ban someone in the NBBA. ;)

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Date: 2/14/2016 12:05:44 PM
Arizona Desert Storm
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quote]Don't banned teams automatically go Bot and drop down if they are in Banned status as we go from one season to another?


Honestly, I'm not sure.


Yeah, I'm not sure either, but I though I remembered that a few seasons back they starting dropping banned teams down during the off season processing. For instance, there is a D2 team that was banned. If it doesn't get bottofied or at least dropped down though the Divisions during off season processing, there is going to be a D2 team going Bot during in the first two weeks of the new season...and that would be disappointing.

I know unless it's changed recently that they still go through the seven week waiting period before they go bot, though, and I presume that's probably there for those cases where appeals are successful. That's probably a good thing, since I imagine a time or two in II.4 when I lost the finals I might otherwise have felt a real urge to go ban someone in the NBBA. ;)


But you are right, this is a great point. Even though it's unlikely a team that was banned over a month ago wins an appeal at this point, it would create a major problem if they won their appeal only to find out their team went bot before the 42ish days and was dropped all the way to DV.

Last edited by Jason at 2/14/2016 12:07:01 PM

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276359.28 in reply to 276359.26
Date: 2/18/2016 5:50:07 AM
Arizona Desert Storm
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The answer as it turns out is no. The D2 team I was referring to not only didn't go Bot, (It's still in banned status), but it also did not drop down to a lower division either.

Just an FYI so we all know the for sure answer going forward :-)

From: GM-hrudey

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Date: 2/18/2016 9:52:24 AM
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The answer as it turns out is no. The D2 team I was referring to not only didn't go Bot, (It's still in banned status), but it also did not drop down to a lower division either.

Just an FYI so we all know the for sure answer going forward :-)


Yeah. I thought I remembered that happening before with a different team that was banned but I didn't remember what team that was since it wasn't in my league at the time. But know we know.