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From: Jokehim

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88227.20 in reply to 88227.19
Date: 5/10/2009 11:32:07 AM
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They must become bot before day of new season leagues. I hoped that all banned Swedish teams would be bot relegated last season but so was not the case then and this should not differ for this season.

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88227.21 in reply to 88227.19
Date: 5/10/2009 11:50:20 AM
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are the teams of users who are banned, but where the team is not yet a bot, get relegated in bot-relegation?

I think they're still regarded as active until botification occurs.

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 5/10/2009 11:51:38 AM

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88227.22 in reply to 88227.1
Date: 5/12/2009 4:49:18 PM
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Well I think I have an update on this.
I've been looking at the results of some level-5 Italian divisions, in the last season.
In league V.177, a team with a 20-2 record (PF-PA=143) lost the final and was not promoted.
In league V.32, a team with a 19-3 record (PF-PA=415) lost the final and was promoted.

So obviously the won-loss record is not the only thing that counts. The PF/PA differential may be a factor, too, although I'm quite sure it is not the only thing that counts.

Some other factors are also taken into account maybe, but all in all I would say that the system is pretty unpredictable.

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88227.23 in reply to 88227.22
Date: 5/12/2009 5:18:58 PM
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Links to the teams, please?

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88227.24 in reply to 88227.22
Date: 5/12/2009 5:29:44 PM
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Were both teams in the same position in the standings?

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88227.25 in reply to 88227.24
Date: 5/12/2009 5:52:20 PM
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This (26994) was promoted, and this (48033) was not.
Both were first in their conference; the former came second in their league, the latter came first.
However, only now I realize that the team that was not promoted is now managed by a computerized player. Maybe it was already bot-controlled at the end of the season, but that would be really strange.

Last edited by gselfish at 5/12/2009 5:52:45 PM

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88227.26 in reply to 88227.25
Date: 5/12/2009 6:16:37 PM
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However, only now I realize that the team that was not promoted is now managed by a computerized player. Maybe it was already bot-controlled at the end of the season, but that would be really strange.

This would be my guess as well.

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88227.27 in reply to 88227.25
Date: 5/12/2009 7:38:40 PM
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It could also turn to bot on the day of season update. As teams turn to bots on Mondays it can happen. For example after my very first season the division champion promoted and then was relegated as a bot team (into other division of the same level - the one were its lucky looser was promoted). So funny things can happen.

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88227.29 in reply to 88227.17
Date: 5/17/2009 10:28:07 AM
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I must also say that I agree with Jokehim. If you have a very strong team in your league, which you know you just can't beat, your best bet to gain a promotion is to lose as few games as you can in the RS. That can lead to an odd situation, in which you maximize your team's effort during the RS without caring at all if you lose in the playoffs quarter-final against a team with a more balanced mentality. This shouldn't happen. You should be complelled to do your best at least until the final.

For me it is a very strange decision to have the lucky loser as best team in regular season without taking into consideration when that team went out in playoff. At the same time to strengthen this argument the matches in the regular season becomes even more important if you have this extra chance of promotion. I do think though that the home advantage from winning league should be enough to motivate teams to care to finish at top in their league.

Another positive effect from promoting best winner is that teams can't sit in lower divisions to build up a better economy by winning all matches. I do think though that this problem who is a big one in Hattrick is pretty much unexisting in BB as you get pretty many advantages economically from a higher division and it usually is pretty easy to avoid relegation from higher divisions as only 1 of 16 promotes and that is tough conditions!

Last edited by Jokehim at 5/17/2009 10:30:29 AM

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