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I had a simple solution in these matters it falls on deaf ears. They can control what lower division manager can afford but not higher league. Once they made a tax on BB it ruined the game. Nothing was wrong nthe economy before these matters. Show how it become more fair today in BB, it has not ,its still who has the money even more so now than before.

Sorry which tax you refer here? OverExtension tax? Or agent fees and other sales taxes? In game manual there is "tax" mentioned only twice.

I hope you mean something else, because those are really small features to ruin a whole game.

The game should not be about training to afford. Those clown got in BB ear and gave them a cancer , where are they today?? Hmm. Training to afford lead to economic down spiral, because the cost to train had rising 5xtime s the player value , there for you need 5x the money to afford. No one has that, in order to get it you have train and sit and wait,

I'm not sure I'm understanding what you're trying to say. But the reason for the market inflation is the addition of Utopia, not whatever you're trying to say. But, the game is not in a downward spiral. It is not difficult to make money in this game. It just takes patience and constant arena construction. And I'm not sure what tax you're talking about because overextension tax would not be ruining BB.

utopia never made these kind of prices directly by effect. It has to deal with tax and training to afford. many teams had champions in the pas and never trained many players. So should their championship be seen as false.? a asterisk if you will.

My point they took away a hand and put a restriction with tax to enforce it and it lop sided the game. Before if want to train a 18/19 yrs. You could, no issue with that. OK. You switch trainers very week of the best caliber and not spend over 40-150k for whole season this is not case anymore.. The game is based on trainer/training now. thus being a seller market, not free market. Look at what your doing in utopia , your build and training to afford. thus mean cost will rise to afford. thus being Trickle down effect.

This is what we are seeing. Theres no free market on BB. If your mega rich and in the highest league it is, for guru trainer of the game they are loving it.. Guys like myself who are so-so at training more tactical based, it nothing to be excited about. They neglect the fact certain tactic cost more than other to perform. Because certain player need certain amount of skill to perform them correctly which very ,very costly. You used to could buy that, now you cant. You have to build it, if your a poor manager with no wage to keep them.. How is that fair. tax exempt don't mean just because you trained him, you can keep his wage as he grows, because it mean lose for a while which mean lower funds to attain.

*Its the trickle down economic effect in BB. in stead of free enterprise and free market*. Trickle down is not fair, it based on who rich and who knows.

But then again basketball is not meant to be fair

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 9/25/2014 11:01:52 AM

I think this is a very interesting topic (although glass is probably monopolizing it too much). I don't agree with glass. Of course if you build something and sell it, than you'll have money to buy something else of the same value. I don't know anything in life that doesn't follow this rule. But yet, he has a point. BB economics is very distorted right know! And, for me, the main reason is player wages, which are really outrageous in many cases. What happens next? Player transfer fees go down, and you get a crazy system where no one wants to buy the best players in the game.
For me, it is very demotivating to buy a very promising player and after several seasons of training being forced to sell a much stronger player for half the price. I had one case that I invested 1,7M (my personal record) in a promising player, made him a national team player, and had to sell him (couldn't afford his salary any more) for 1,2M, despite having trained him for 5 or so seasons. I believe everyone must have something like this.
For me, it is very strange to watch how people spend their money right now. Why would anyone spend 1M in any 19/20 year old trainee, if I can buy a 25-26 y o player that is already what the trainee can be at 25 if properly trained? Why bother?

For me, there are a number of reasons why this happens:
1- not enough teams with the money to buy top players, or pay their salaries
2- Taxes put in place recently worsened the problem. In fact, we should be injecting money in the economy!
3- The salary excess tax is blind and penalizes teams that are trying to have healthy economies, but are through results problems. Last season, i descended from NL to 2nd division. I sold my best players and bought others, spending in wages the same thing as in the season i was promoted - and i had more supporters, so expected more income. What happened? I got terrible fan spirit, got lousy attendences for several weeks and on top of that was penalized again through this stupid tax. I don't even understand what the f**k is it good for. I believe that a lot of teams, when they go through bad results get penalized again this way, which is very unfair. Also, takes a lot of money out of the game
4- Free players. Buying them gets all the transfer money out of the system, which should be circulating the economy.

I have some suggestions to overcome this problem:
1- The salary should be influenced by the transfer fee achieved. There should be a fixed minimum wage for the player, and a variable part according to how much someone was willing to pay for the player
2- We should raise the income of teams in the 1 divison (a little) and especially on the 2nd division(a lot!). This would make the demand for top players and avoid seeing top players tranfered next to nothing or even sacked
3- Limiting free players transfers - in this way avoiding money getting out of the economy.

I think it would be healthy for the game that the best players were, once again, the more desired, and teams should battle to get them, instead of just trying to get rid of their salaries. I think these proposals would benefit the game


PS: there are other problems in this game, but this post is far too big already. Maybe next time

And, for me, the main reason is player wages, which are really outrageous in many cases. What happens next? Player transfer fees go down, and you get a crazy system where no one wants to buy the best players in the game.

On the other hand, if the wages go down, then people will just train those players even further (thanks to the NT) and the wages would keep going up anyhow.

This will be one of the few times I will ever say that Hattrick did something better than BB did, but their solution of adding additional skill drops for high-skilled players and slowing training down more based on the skill level (boosting lower skills / slowing down high level skills a lot) was the correct solution to the problem. As bad as the wage-based solutions are intended to be (and remember when guys were over 400k salaries?), people still keep on churning out super high salary players because of the NT/U21 game. If you don't want the game being littered with ten times more 18/18/18/8 big men than there are people who could reasonably justify paying those salaries, make it harder to train those guys rather than just giving people an incentive to create even more.

3- The salary excess tax is blind and penalizes teams that are trying to have healthy economies, but are through results problems. Last season, i descended from NL to 2nd division. I sold my best players and bought others, spending in wages the same thing as in the season i was promoted - and i had more supporters, so expected more income. What happened? I got terrible fan spirit, got lousy attendences for several weeks and on top of that was penalized again through this stupid tax. I don't even understand what the f**k is it good for. I believe that a lot of teams, when they go through bad results get penalized again this way, which is very unfair. Also, takes a lot of money out of the game

This tax is valid only if you are overspending - how that can be called as healthy economics? This is managerial game and one part is managing your incomes and outcomes.

Without this tax some teams could "buy championships" with those cheap national team players, which would be all too easy solution. Prices for those NT players with enormous salary has been low way before this tax.

Without this tax some teams could "buy championships" with those cheap national team players, which would be all too easy solution.


If this is your wrong. If a manager buy 5, 18 yrs and build them and win 5 league title then another and another and another and another every year. He has still bought a championship?

Its a manager's game your suppose to buy the championship through your wages, training is a option ,not by all mean for all ways . In small you just said the guys and great teams of the past of bb are not legit champions. they are asterik.

Training don't win champions for everybody on BB. Who care if they have 5 nt players and bought them, theres 5 players that never made NT that are better on the game, I had guy in my league with 2 of them. Basketball is not mean to be fair.