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From: squirrel

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Date: 7/14/2015 11:29:32 PM
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You can get all that info now Smitti. The 19 year olds are way better AND you can choose the skills you want so see.

2 sides of the same coin.

From: smitti

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Date: 7/15/2015 6:39:48 AM
homeboyz
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I have not looked at the draft in years. Maybe I need to a look at again. Thanks for the heads up.

From: FrostyMc

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Date: 7/15/2015 6:30:10 PM
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if you save up like 70 draft points, you can scout pretty much every single skill these guys have by scouting gather and shoot, extra pass, post up dribble, on ball defense and cut inside. all you won't know about them are their free throws and stamina, and it's for every player in the draft! then with the remaining few points, you can scout the potential of the top few players and rank them accordingly. saving 70 points for a season which you know you will be very bad and have a high pick can yield an extremely valuable draft. you can even get 2 standout, million dollar rookies. 2 mil for investing a few hundred thousand over several seasons is more than worth the investment. if you have a top 5 pick in the draft, you'd be extremely unlucky to not get the player on the top of your board, and you'll probably get 2 players you really want. you can get 24 scouting points per season by investing just 10k per week in scouting. that's 120k per season. over 3 seasons, that's 360k, and you'll have purchased 72 points. it's next to impossible to not make at least that much back in value with a high pick and knowing everything about the draft. just 1 outstanding rookie would be minimum 500k, with potential of 1mil+. just 1 rookie. if you get 2 valuable ones, all the better. that doesn't count the 2 drafts in which you didn't scout at all, and may have lucked into getting a player *cough bucsblue cough joe hilton cough*

edit: not to mention the perks to training your own draftees as it pertains to over-extension tax and merchandise sales.

Last edited by FrostyMc at 7/15/2015 6:41:20 PM

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Date: 7/15/2015 6:51:12 PM
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here's an idea you can take or leave. spend 10k per week in scouting for 4 straight seasons, not spending a single point. during this time, you try to promote. you put your best foot forward all of these 4 seasons, still putting money into scouting. by the end of year 4, you'll either have promoted, or failed. if you promote, your first season in the higher division (season 5) will probably be a tough one and you'll struggle to win games by default. you'll have a high pick. drop 72 points in scouting and grab a great draftee. the following season, you may demote back to d3 (season 6). fire sale your team after the cup and demote again and get a high pick and spend all 72 points again. you'll now have 2 great drafted trainees in d4 with which to rebuild your franchise stronger than ever. as long as you've invested in arena expansion along the way, your franchise value should have almost doubled by the time you promote back to d3 (call it 2 seasons in d4. season 8). now, when you make your 4 year run in d3, you should be in a great position financially, much better than before, and your franchise value should remain competitive with the d2 teams so you can stay in that division and do some damage. it's not far from the nbba from there. just a couple lucky breaks and you're there.

From: smitti

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Date: 7/15/2015 7:45:40 PM
homeboyz
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Interesting....

From: FrostyMc

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269164.200 in reply to 269164.199
Date: 7/16/2015 12:42:42 AM
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never forget that this game is a money-based game. you don't try to make your team better, you try to make your franchise more valuable, and more wins is a byproduct of that effort. everything is subject to cost-benefit analyses. players, their training, their transfer fees, their salaries, coaches, their salaries, how much winning is worth, or isn't worth, in terms of ticket sales, merchandise sales, promotion bonuses... training a player is just increasing his value, and thereby the franchise's value. all pure dollar amounts. the manager who best manipulates the dollar is the victor 95 times out of 100.

Last edited by FrostyMc at 7/16/2015 12:47:52 AM

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269164.201 in reply to 269164.200
Date: 7/17/2015 6:48:18 PM
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That's actually brilliant, Frosty!!!

Hadn't thought of or seen that elsewhere. Now I feel like I wasted the group demo!

Oh well...

I decided I'm going to go best available. From the looks of it, there are 10 players in the draft class with an average of 5 (50 points or better) across the 10 in-play skills (so no FT/St/Ex/Pot -- although I include those in my own internals), and another 5 with an average of 4.8 or better. After the 15 best players, there is a SEVERE drop off.

Without knowing ages or potential, I'd say there are:

2 standout players
8-10 lifetime players (careers well into the 30's if not dropped or owned by purged teams)
2-3 hidden gems outside the 15 best
2 steaming piles of garbage

From: Texas

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269164.202 in reply to 269164.201
Date: 7/18/2015 9:31:57 AM
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With my luck, I'll be getting both steaming piles of garbage and a 19 year old bench player for life.

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269164.203 in reply to 269164.200
Date: 7/19/2015 3:26:43 PM
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Thats a very interesting approach and Baker i did expect to not make playoffs and am actually happy that i was able to do it and still be over .500... To frosty's point thats a very good concept of a plan to have a strong team when returning to D3. only problem is it hinges on what a person wants from the game. Sometimes for 1 season maybe 2 at most the game is still fun even though you are losing. but to hit the point where you dont even log in because there's no reason to set a line up and that takes away from the Users value and fun. Winning and game planning to win has value in itself. If you could get a manager who could handle 2 straight losing seasons that manager would have a good team in a few seasons. however i think the fact and idea of wanting to win is what makes us not take the best routes for developing our teams

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269164.204 in reply to 269164.203
Date: 7/19/2015 4:37:59 PM
homeboyz
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Nəriman Qoşqar - I purchased for $80,000 and sold for $1,351,000. I have done this consistently without the draft. I would rather control who I spend my $$$ on. I ain't bagging any season. As Herm Edwards once said " YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME"

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Date: 7/19/2015 4:38:00 PM
homeboyz
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Nəriman Qoşqar - I purchased for $80,000 and sold for $1,351,000. I have done this consistently without the draft. I would rather control who I spend my $$$ on. I ain't bagging any season. As Herm Edwards once said " YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME"

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