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191779.196 in reply to 191779.190
Date: 7/28/2011 9:54:04 AM
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Reminder: People are not machines.

Thank you for listening. You may now go back to arguing about why training should be robotic.


so this confirms the effect is random?
IMO we have enough of it in the games, training should be "robotic"

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191779.197 in reply to 191779.196
Date: 7/28/2011 9:55:52 AM
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Mark Lenders, good one...Olly e Benji much?

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191779.198 in reply to 191779.195
Date: 7/28/2011 10:00:24 AM
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if you're training a G four levels in OD, for example, that's going to have a whole lot more of an effect than a random pop in SB and RB.


As I already explained in this or another thread today, I can't exactly remember: I'm training a Superstar guard for NT and for that, I have to keep his PA on Prolific (it's already on that level). If in three seasons of training he pops just once in PA, he can't play for NT anymore. If I knew this two seasons ago when I drafted him, I would:

a) sell him, improve my team and promote one season earlier
b) sell him and buy a MVP or HoF

Now if he pops in PA, I'm stuck with a player that will be good, but not good enough for NT and just above-average for D.I where I plan to be in 4-5 seasons. So what should I do? Sell him, buy myself a new 18y old and start anew, setting myself back two seasons? Or train him and risk a pop in PA, knowing this will kill all my plans with him?


Okay, so the change causes difficulty for those who were micromanaging underpotential trainees for fringe NT roles. Get the pitchforks and torches!

I assume that you probably have a very low sublevel of passing for this fine fellow, yes? So given that the cross-training is roughly 10% of normal training and we assume that it hits one of 9 skills at random, every 90 weeks you can expect to have received one week's worth of passing training. Yeah, go ahead and sell your player now - you're screwed. ;)

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191779.199 in reply to 191779.198
Date: 7/28/2011 10:06:17 AM
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Okay, so the change causes difficulty for those who were micromanaging underpotential trainees for fringe NT roles. Get the pitchforks and torches!


This change, like all changes in real and internet life, affects all participants. Ones in a good way, others in a bad way. I'm in second group. Does this mean I can't complain?

I assume that you probably have a very low sublevel of passing for this fine fellow, yes? So given that the cross-training is roughly 10% of normal training and we assume that it hits one of 9 skills at random, every 90 weeks you can expect to have received one week's worth of passing training. Yeah, go ahead and sell your player now - you're screwed. ;)


You have to take into account PA is the fastest training. I don't know if it will train faster as a secondary training, but we will see. Anyway, I plan on training this fellow for 4 more seasons, so that's 56 weeks. Can you guarantee me the training engine will not choose PA enough times in 56 weeks, thus not making it pop?

It could pop or it couldn't. Why am I not happy for this randomness?

You also have to know I'd have a greater ticket sales and merchandise if my player plays for NT. Let's say 15k for merchandise and 30k for ticket sales, which is 45k/week. If he plays in 6 NTgames per season, that's 6 x 45k=270k. For some nothing, for some a lot. I know I want to save every 1k I can.

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191779.200 in reply to 191779.194
Date: 7/28/2011 10:17:39 AM
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I never say that 0,3 level of rebounding for a guard are worth 7 rebounding for a c like you make it up.

0,3 level of rebounding raise the salary of a player(few k,but however raise the salary),without improving his efficiency on the floor.Period
We are going to pay some k more every week,for every player we trained for what,half rebound every game?


it increase the effiency on the floor, if you are going to reduce this effect to zero. It don't cost salary too, especially when this 0,3 helps yyou to pay less salary for the same effort.

Are you kidding me?


no. Please show me that 0,3 Rb on guard(5-7 reb basic) is more expensive then 0,1 on a center(level 15) which you don't need anymore to get the same results.
And then show me player builds who ain't possible anymore because the player had =,3 reb and ID more then expected, and how crappy the player looks then after 5 season of training instead.

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191779.201 in reply to 191779.199
Date: 7/28/2011 10:18:13 AM
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Okay, so the change causes difficulty for those who were micromanaging underpotential trainees for fringe NT roles. Get the pitchforks and torches!


This change, like all changes in real and internet life, affects all participants. Ones in a good way, others in a bad way. I'm in second group. Does this mean I can't complain?


Of course you can complain. And frankly, you have by far the most reasonable complaint of any that I've read about this -- it's actually a valid point and you're far less prone to the ridiculous overstatements than many of the people who have posted in the thread.

As far as the "will he pop" given 56 weeks of training, I don't know -- obviously, in a fairly orderly world, we could say that he'd be likely to receive maybe 70% of one week's passing training in aggregate, and then you would be able to know whether he's close enough to popping that training him one week would have moved him up. However, I fully expect that he'll pop in two weeks because random is what it is. ;)



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191779.202 in reply to 191779.199
Date: 7/28/2011 10:19:01 AM
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If he's a fringe guy for the NT, will he even play much? I understand that only guys who get significant minutes in NT games help merch.

$30k ticket sales for being on the NT? Really? I have the Thai starting PG and last season my revenues were the lowest they have been in seasons because I lost games. I think winning sells tickets.

Lastly, you have known for one whole season that cross-training was coming. If it didn't enter your head that passing might perhaps increase through cross-training on a player whose training you have so painstakingly planned to the last skill level, I'd say you are at fault, not the change.

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
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191779.203 in reply to 191779.195
Date: 7/28/2011 10:19:48 AM
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Now if he pops in PA, I'm stuck with a player that will be good, but not good enough for NT and just above-average for D.I where I plan to be in 4-5 seasons. So what should I do? Sell him, buy myself a new 18y old and start anew, setting myself back two seasons? Or train him and risk a pop in PA, knowing this will kill all my plans with him?


you really think that 0,1-0,3 level of passing will make him a total different player? I really wonder how detailed you plan your players.

It could pop or it couldn't. Why am I not happy for this randomness?


did your NT coach have something against a 12 in passing? Also the sub count for potential, and this sub difference nearly don't make an difference.

And even when passing is fast, don't forget your player is also older and trains slower, so 2 weeks is pretty optimistic.

Edit: you don't even had somthing close to a clue about the potential 2-3 weeks before, for your plans :)

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191779.206 in reply to 191779.205
Date: 7/28/2011 11:04:24 AM
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I fail at math, so if it takes 10% longer, per season of training for primaries, how much time does a person have to add onto their predicted training time if they want to push a skill level to 17-20pts?

How about 10% more time?

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