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26712.197 in reply to 26712.195
Date: 11/14/2009 2:19:19 PM
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It may be a coincidence but I observed some unusual defensive matchup during my game. It almost look like defensive assignments from my upcoming scrimmage was used instead. I play a zone a lot, never noticed that positions guarding that opposite players on those places on the court. Could you please check that? Thank you.

(SC defensive assignents

PG gurading SG
SG -> PF
SF -> PG
PF -> SF
C -> C

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26712.198 in reply to 26712.196
Date: 11/14/2009 2:24:52 PM
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I don't see a bug here.

Those players got in the game when they did because that's when the starters were tired enough. You also had the Let Them Play, which makes the coach completely disregard fouls when making subs, a setting which makes the coach substitute less often.

You had one player backup two positions. Playing just 2 minutes at one of them is not abnormal at all.

So all in all, it looks pretty fine to me.


Thanks for your opinion which I dont share...

I have tried one player to backup two positions several times and this result is abnormal. See my previous match in PL for instance - and those two starters have worse stamina.

And you tell me that player with stamina 4 (starter SF) was tired after 36 minutes of the match? I think that it is normal to substitute after 8 minutes.

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26712.199 in reply to 26712.198
Date: 11/14/2009 2:36:10 PM
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You also had the Let Them Play, which makes the coach completely disregard fouls when making subs, a setting which makes the coach substitute less often.


That's what I am telling you.

Also, as it became apparent recently, slow-pace tactics do conserve energy -- and you've chosen two of them.

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 11/14/2009 2:37:43 PM

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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26712.200 in reply to 26712.199
Date: 11/14/2009 2:45:17 PM
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None of my players had foul trouble all match long, so it is irrelevant whether I had Let Them Play or Sit Them, isn't it.

I know they do conserve energy, but why do they do it that much?

EDIT: I will try set the very same line-up in my next PL match and will see the result.

Last edited by PunkFloid at 11/14/2009 2:47:01 PM

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Date: 11/14/2009 2:51:42 PM
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None of my players had foul trouble all match long, so it is irrelevant whether I had Let Them Play or Sit Them, isn't it.

My observation is that Let Them Play results in less subs regardless of foul trouble. My guess is that in certain situations, if the coach cares about fouls, he might pull a certain player earlier in order for him _not_ to pick up fouls (in addition to immediately benching them when they pick up a foul).

For example, the coach will pull your starter with 2 fouls in the middle of the second quarter, so that he doesn't pick up his third (since picking up a third results in benching him immediately until the middle of the third quarter, for example). Let Them Play seems to completely ignore these considerations.

I have never really done any testing with this, so the evidence is anecdotal.

I know they do conserve energy, but what do they do it that much?

No idea, up to very recently I thought they didn't at all.

Have in mind that players regenerate energy in timeouts and at half-time.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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26712.204 in reply to 26712.202
Date: 11/20/2009 4:15:22 PM
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It's just karma.

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26712.206 in reply to 26712.205
Date: 12/3/2009 3:27:26 PM
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It must be (2). The game engine may be quite weird when a player that's really crappy for a position has a decent alternative somewhere in the lineup -- which is mostly a direct consequence of the fact that the AI coach can never be completely eliminated from making decisions on lineups and substitutions.

Maybe this should be amended to reflect the new possibility for alternative defensive assignments, so that the changes work as intended and allow people to train off skills more efficiently.

In any case, I don't think (1) is an issue at all (or shouldn't be), and no other instances of this bug have ever been reported.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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26712.207 in reply to 26712.11
Date: 12/4/2009 7:51:43 AM
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i had the same problem yesterday.i dont think it was done intentionaly.it is just a machine dealing with with all these teams and players and it is not flauless.

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