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From: FatCurry

To: Coco
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116951.2 in reply to 116951.1
Date: 10/28/2009 3:22:26 PM
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Great post Coco, perhaps the teams you mentioned above could pass down some advice on single position training. I know I would appreciate any new insight that I can gain!


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116951.3 in reply to 116951.2
Date: 10/29/2009 12:07:32 AM
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I'm always curious, with single position training, you just try to max out two players and give whatever balance to the 3rd?


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116951.4 in reply to 116951.3
Date: 10/29/2009 1:24:08 AM
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In simplest form, you 48 a trainee each game, and have a different trainee backing up at the "2nd position" for the skill you're training, so that if the 48 minute playing goes wrong, you have a 2-position training option open (depending on which trainee got messed up).

In order to "guarantee" 48 minutes, you have to have a player that's not a thug, dress the player as Starter-Backup-Reserve for the training position, and have everyone else on the roster as either a Starter or a Backup+Reserve for one of the other positions. This limits you to no more than 9 players dressed. If you have players dressed but not on the DC, or you have a Backup AND a Reserve (neither of whom start anywhere) dressed for a position, the blowout rule will cause your trainee to get pulled.

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116951.5 in reply to 116951.3
Date: 10/29/2009 8:08:29 AM
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Steve if your signed up to the NT offsite forum Coco Gave a amazing explanation of it there.

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116951.6 in reply to 116951.3
Date: 10/30/2009 3:00:16 AM
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I would also like to add on to Azariah's post. His response is pretty much dead on, but please note that doing what Azariah says is the absolute uptimum for training. There are of course situations in which you will not be able to afford only dressing 9 guys and having one player play the entire game. In my opinion, it is these situations that truly separate the good managers from the not-so-good managers. This is the beauty of BB - you have to somehow try to balance winning league games, staying in the cup, training minutes, and game shape. Many times you have to prioritize...

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116951.7 in reply to 116951.6
Date: 11/1/2009 12:44:44 AM
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In my opinion, it is these situations that truly separate the good managers from the not-so-good managers. This is the beauty of BB - you have to somehow try to balance winning league games, staying in the cup, training minutes, and game shape. Many times you have to prioritize...


Really, I seem to do that okay with that...I just choke in the playoffs.


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116951.8 in reply to 116951.3
Date: 11/4/2009 12:20:55 PM
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I'm always curious, with single position training, you just try to max out two players and give whatever balance to the 3rd?
That's what I'm doing right now. I have two 18yo USA bigs that I'm training, and my third is an 18yo I could get cheap because of lower potential. They swap starting positions in my league games, with whoever doesn't get the full training minutes generally playing backup in the scrimmage. I have some other reasonably young players sitting around for when I need to train something that isn't available at one position training (i.e. rebounding). Of course, I could just train that during the short weeks, and that would work too.

The thing I'm thinking about right now is how appropriate single position training is for me, as someone who is just starting out. It doesn't seem very conducive for team building, since I'm just getting help at one (or two when they're finished training) position. Since I'm training bigs, I will have a weak guard lineup, and since I'm only really training two guys, I won't have much of anyone to sell and buy some help. What I'm thinking right now is that I'll continue training my guys for 2-3 more seasons, and then buy some 18yo guards and start training them. Don't really know what I'll do for an SF though, I might need to buy a short 18yo with good inside skills and give him the leftover guard training.

What I'm wondering is if I would be better off to do two position training inside, accumulate some extra players inside, and basically trade them for guards of comparable quality. (i.e. what the game manual recommends) The reason I'm not doing that now is that it seems like I'm wasting potential. The two guys I'm training are allstar(10592590) and perennial allstar(11435847), and I think I would have to train them until they were 25 to reach those caps if I was doing two position training. I'd rather train them for 3 years, and then know they would be my starters for the next 10 years. I should have accumulated enough money just from weekly income to buy some high potential guards by that time.

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116951.10 in reply to 116951.9
Date: 11/4/2009 1:32:34 PM
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I guess my biggest issue with single position training is whether it will generate the same profits as two position training. I'm not really sure...has anyone looked into that?

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116951.12 in reply to 116951.11
Date: 11/6/2009 1:07:43 AM
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This depends (a) on the market and (b) on the height of the players.

Right now, I think a 21 yo guard that has received continuous SP-training and with not too much height can fetch anywhere between 4-10M.

I doubt you can find a 21 yo guard that has only received dp-training that would sell for more than 2.5M.



I beg to differ. I had 2, 21 yos on my roster that would easily bring me in more than 2.5m, infact, i had 4 guards when i started, 2 - 18 yos and 2 - 19yos. I used DP training all this time, sold 1 of the 22yos for 3.5m and the 21yo for 3m. And my other 2, the 21yo and the 22yo that i have left would easily, by far bring me in over 3m, Martin Silva would bring in over 4m I assume.
Considered, you don't know his skills, but I have trained them well with using DP training, and with proper use it is easily possible to have 4 21yos that are worth more than 3m each or 4m+ even.

edit: Martin silva was the only guard I had when I started with all respectables in the 6 guard skills btw, the other 3 had scattered skills ranging from mediocre to respectable.

Last edited by Steven Hart at 11/6/2009 1:09:38 AM