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Your observations I believe are correct. However, I tend to think what’s really behind the disparity between the market value of big men and small men has a lot to do with the effort that goes into training them. Here’s something I recently posted on a discussion about point guards that goes into the difficult of training guards compared with training big men (155542.40).

So I think unless training rates and/or skill are changed, it’s best to let the market be the market. What you are getting it is exactly why a number of seasons ago I shifted completely away from training big men to training pretty much only guards. I can buy the big men, but I can’t afford the guards that are good enough to use in my lineup for regular season games in my league. It’s taken about 4 or 5 seasons, but I’ve finally got depth at the guard positions that I won’t get buried or bankrupted staving off relegation. Until there’s a massive shift in the majority of trainers in BB, I think the market reflect the nature of training, and the market shouldn’t be tampered with only to give folks who take the easier training route an artificial break.
Am I alone in my opinion?

Well I mostly agree but not 100%. It is really easy to train big men. There are only 3 skills that count and two can be done single position. This means that even if you start with a triple average guy and can get just 6 pops a season you can have him at triple sensational in 3 seasons. Who can't do that? Far from impossible is triple respectable, 9 pops a season making the player potentially triple prodigious by age 21. I don't train bigs, and I don't know if anyone has actually achieved this, but it seems frightening.

For point guards things aren't so bad. The can be single position trained in almost everything and a steady diet of OD, passing and 1on1 shoud see them fantastic very soon.

Shooting guards have it much harder, first they have to be mostly played out of position, second they really need 6 skills and third lots of their training is two position.

I won't even begin on small forwards.

I have been in the market all season for bigs and the number of times I have checked players histories to see that they have sold for up to 5 times what they are currently selling for is just crazy. There are plenty of guys being trained every day and being sold. Free agents are really wrecking the economy lets switch them off.

The question is how many free agents are sold / how many normal players per week. If the numbre isnt too big, it would not really help and we would really miss some wicked players with 12 DV, 7JS and 13 JR. Well, this isnt a right example, but something like that with role player potential is really helpfull because of theirs salary.

The problema about the Fa is that the salary only isn't a reliable parameter to see the quality of the player

It should be insetred other filters based on the skills and on the age to select what players deserve to be freed and what players don't worth enough to retrun on the market

Everyone’s going to do their TL scouting in their own way. When I look at a player’s performance, I know I have to take their league into account so I know what sort of competition the player faces. If I’m looking to invest a whole lot of cash on one player, I also look at his team’s roster to see if he’s the go-to-scorer/rebounder/etc., if he plays with a good PG who gets him good passes, etc. I compare his skills with how I know my own players perform with their relative skills (the most objective comparison). There are plenty of over factors, too, to look into. Everyone has their own style, some methodologies are good, some are not-so-good. In the market, there are smart BB managers and there are not-so-smart managers. Some managers are looking at big men, some at small men, some at all players… The market is a big place. The sharpest managers will see the patterns and trends if they are on top the TL. I pointed out the guard training issue above, that’s one thing that affects the market. If everyone in BB reads it and agrees with it and immediately starts to train only guards, the TL will totally change. Even if I don’t start a revolution on my own, many managers may start to train guards on their own anyway once they realize how much harder it is to save up the cash to buy one on the TL. The market will then shift in some way. The market evolves, and it’s really hard to tinker with that. It’s easier to read the market and tinker with the rules of the game. Perhaps training rates for guards will change so that they can train as fast as big men. Perhaps there will be dedicated SF training (not that I want to start kicking that dead horse again). Who knows? But if you really want to get ahead, don’t complain about what you see as unfair market outcomes. Exploit them!

Anybody notice that in the NBA, the lowest average salaries by position is… SF!!! How funny it is that in the real world, the player perceived as the most flexible (often times they are “swing players” either between SF/PF or SF/SG) but maybe not the most masterful at any particular skill are the least paid, sort of like in BB. We could compare other positions relative to the NBA market, too, but let’s save that for another thread…

What's the conncetion with the FA situation?

I think he got carried away :)

well i think the free agents deflating prices so extremly are fantastic

i just bought Shalev Yaacov who was good enough to play in the finals on the Lietuva LBBL and who has been sold multiple times for more than $1,000,000 (1.3 was the top) for $395,000

this is awesome, it means that teams that have worked carefully for years, planned, trained and invested thousands of hours now into the game can be beaten by any punk who starts the game and gets a good original player /draft pick that they can sell

<-sarcasm

Isn't the problem that when lots of people stop playing the game, lots of free-agents are created, while lots of managers are lost?
That means supply goes up, and demand goes down, therefore prices drop. No rocket science there.

Thats right, but the problem is that with the huge increase in supply, the prices have dropped so much that at times its not even worth training players anymore.