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Do you mean "anti-poaching" in the thread title?

The reality has come down to human nature dictating the TL.

I really don't see anything wrong with this. This is a game played by humans, after all.

As for your idea, I must admit that I am adamantly against it. Mostly because of the automated aspect of it, but also due to the figures used here:

For example.
User A puts in a autobid for 500k, current bid was 10k, so it goes up to 11500
User B puts in an autobid of 750k, current bid goes up to 575k by user B and user A's Autobid is cancelled (unsuccessful) and they get their funds back.

I thought to make the increase of 15% so that normal bidding process isn't completely phased out. Normal bidding would still be a much smaller amount you have to increase the bid by.

How would this not phase out normal bidding? The increase of 15% is impossible in a single bid under current rules. Using your example figures, the user using the normal bidding process would have watched as the price went up >5000% automatically (and therefore, likely in nanoseconds).

Last edited by darykjozef at 1/31/2011 9:43:39 PM

How would this not phase out normal bidding? The increase of 15% is impossible in a single bid under current rules. Using your example figures, the user using the normal bidding process would have watched as the price went up >5000% automatically (and therefore, likely in nanoseconds).

Why is an increase of 15% impossible in a single bid??
And what's wrong with a user using the normal bidding process watching the price go up 5000% quickly?

How would this not phase out normal bidding? The increase of 15% is impossible in a single bid under current rules. Using your example figures, the user using the normal bidding process would have watched as the price went up >5000% automatically (and therefore, likely in nanoseconds).

Why is an increase of 15% impossible in a single bid??

I used % because he used %, but if you look at his figures, they are 15x the previous bid. The current max is 10x.

And what's wrong with a user using the normal bidding process watching the price go up 5000% quickly?

When does the normal bidder make a bid then? When all the autobidding is finished? So the normal bidder is paying more than the folks who have the auto-bid were willing to pay? How fun is that?

Moreover, how will that stop these FAs from being day-traded, as was mentioned in the opening post?

I used % because he used %, but if you look at his figures, they are 15x the previous bid. The current max is 10x.

Where does hus figures go to 15x time previous bid? If you are referring to the section where there are 2 autobids on a player, then think of it like them outbidding each other until the higher one wins.

When does the normal bidder make a bid then? When all the autobidding is finished? So the normal bidder is paying more than the folks who have the auto-bid were willing to pay? How fun is that?

Well the normal bidder can bid whenever they want can't they? What is stopping them? If there is 1 autobid on a player and a normal bidder bids, then he will instantly be outbid, and will have to bid again. What's wrong with this?
You are saying that the normal bidder is paying more than the folks who have the auto bid were willing to pay, but how is that any different to normal? If you and I are bidding on the same player, the only way you can win the player is to bid more than I am willing to bid. How is that any different to bidding against the auto bid?

Are you arguing just to argue, or do you like this idea?

I used % because he used %, but if you look at his figures, they are 15x the previous bid. The current max is 10x.

Where does hus figures go to 15x time previous bid? If you are referring to the section where there are 2 autobids on a player, then think of it like them outbidding each other until the higher one wins.

Read his post again. That's not how he says it would work.

When does the normal bidder make a bid then? When all the autobidding is finished? So the normal bidder is paying more than the folks who have the auto-bid were willing to pay? How fun is that?

Well the normal bidder can bid whenever they want can't they? What is stopping them? If there is 1 autobid on a player and a normal bidder bids, then he will instantly be outbid, and will have to bid again. What's wrong with this?

The only thing stopping this is assuming there are two or more auto-bidders, as they will just outbid each other until the current bid becomes greater than the max set for all but one auto-bidder. Then the human being can push a button.

You are saying that the normal bidder is paying more than the folks who have the auto bid were willing to pay, but how is that any different to normal? If you and I are bidding on the same player, the only way you can win the player is to bid more than I am willing to bid. How is that any different to bidding against the auto bid?

So, what you're saying is, "If it ain't broke, dont fix it"?

I'm not against the idea persay if a few minor details are changed. I think it would be quite handy, especially for managers that want to buy a player that is selling at a time they can't be online. But I don't mind the current system either as it rewards managers that put in more time.

I'm not against the idea persay if a few minor details are changed.

Such as?

I think it would be quite handy, especially for managers that want to buy a player that is selling at a time they can't be online.

If it works for players, shouldn't it work for staff as well? Imagine if all, say, superior trainers with a salary <20k had immediate bids of 200k+?

But I don't mind the current system either as it rewards managers that put in more time.

The current system doesn't really require more time. It just requires you to be present and willing to bid at the deadline (assuming the site is up and running, given recent events), and in some cases, not even that (just pay what the seller asked).

I think the idea of automated bidding is a good idea, and would hand it off for the BB's to implement it however it is most feasible.

It should address issues like needing to post players during peak times (which are certainly not great for most people), and would decrease the variance in sales of players of equal value since people won't have to either overbid or be at the bidding war to get players they covet.

Maybe it could be piloted in with the staff first?

Well I would make it that an autobid will only bid every 2 minutes instead of instantly.
This allows humans to bid as well instead of the autobid just instantly raising the price.

If it works for players, shouldn't it work for staff as well? Imagine if all, say, superior trainers with a salary <20k had immediate bids of 200k+?

Yes it should work for staff too. But this isn't as important.
I don't understand your second point of all superior trainers having immediate bids of 200k. How does that matter? The price is going to get driven up to 200k anyway, so what difference does it make if it happens quicker than slowly bidding it up? Remember the price only goes up quickly when more 1 person sets an autobid. Under the current system, both players would simply be sitting at the computer and manually outbidding the other constantly until the one willing to spend more money wins the player. This is exactly the same as the autobid isn't it?

The current system doesn't really require more time. It just requires you to be present and willing to bid at the deadline (assuming the site is up and running, given recent events), and in some cases, not even that (just pay what the seller asked).

I disagree, how is someone supposed to bid on a player if they need to be at work? Current system gives an advantage to players that can be on at the time the player is going to sell. And you could argue that the person should just bid the max value he is willing to pay for the player before he goes to work, but that in itself is a disadvantage as quite often the price won't go that high and you are paying more than you have too.

I don't quite see your objection with the autobid system? What is it in particular that you don't like about the idea?

terrible idea.

Well I would make it that an autobid will only bid every 2 minutes instead of instantly.
This allows humans to bid as well instead of the autobid just instantly raising the price.

Well, this way, you'd never know if you were bidding against an actual human being, so there's that.

If it works for players, shouldn't it work for staff as well? Imagine if all, say, superior trainers with a salary <20k had immediate bids of 200k+?

Yes it should work for staff too. But this isn't as important.

I think it's quite the opposite; it's more important for staff. Only a few players start at 1k. ALL staff start at 1k.

I don't understand your second point of all superior trainers having immediate bids of 200k. How does that matter? The price is going to get driven up to 200k anyway, so what difference does it make if it happens quicker than slowly bidding it up?

The difference is mostly for non-supporters, who can "bookmark" staff (and players) by bidding on them, so that they show up on their Bids page.

Remember the price only goes up quickly when more 1 person sets an autobid.

There are 50k people playing this game. How often do you suppose only one of them would be interested in a cheap superior trainer?

Under the current system, both players would simply be sitting at the computer and manually outbidding the other constantly until the one willing to spend more money wins the player. This is exactly the same as the autobid isn't it?

The only way this is "exactly the same" is if bidding wars happened with two days to go before the deadline. I've yet to see that happen.

The current system doesn't really require more time. It just requires you to be present and willing to bid at the deadline (assuming the site is up and running, given recent events), and in some cases, not even that (just pay what the seller asked).

I disagree, how is someone supposed to bid on a player if they need to be at work? Current system gives an advantage to players that can be on at the time the player is going to sell. And you could argue that the person should just bid the max value he is willing to pay for the player before he goes to work, but that in itself is a disadvantage as quite often the price won't go that high and you are paying more than you have too.

Plenty of people play this game at work (I'm not one of them, but the point remains). People also have to drive to pick up the kids from practice, go to weddings, shovel the driveway, get drunk at the pub, spend time with their families and a whole litany of other activities that don't allow them to access BB 24 hours a day. For 14 seasons, this hasn't been a problem.

I don't quite see your objection with the autobid system? What is it in particular that you don't like about the idea?

Because it's automated. Why not set up other automatic things, like having a system that sets the lineup for you to maximize training minutes while you're on vacation? Or automatically chooses the best training option based on minutes? Or a system that fires your current staff and hires a new one once the weekly salary reaches a certain threshold? Or a feature that would transfer-list your players at a set time in the future? In fact, why not one that logs in for you every six weeks so NT farmers can keep their teams alive?