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194285.2 in reply to 194285.1
Date: 8/15/2011 7:59:37 PM
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who else thinks that people only vote for the manager in the highest league for nt. when it is really about the talent level they ahve compared to other managers. i say if your able to get to league III with 10k players your a good manager, but the people vote for the guy in League II with 100k players. makes no sense to me its not like their better managers and anway anyone can do good with the skill level of the usa players and someone who doesnt shouldnt even be playing.


The NT and club level setups are completely different, and once there's another election and this discussion is relevant, make sure to bring up this point again. ;)

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Date: 8/15/2011 8:04:06 PM
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People want a manager with experience, and for the USA the expectations are high. Players in the NBBA and II have been playing for a while and know alot about what tactics to run, Enthusiasm management, and what players to play with certain tactics. And also the best managers should be in the best division and to survive in the NBBA you need to be a great manager to not regulate.

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Date: 8/15/2011 10:15:49 PM
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Furthermore, you do know that the current NT manager is a brand spanking new D.II promotee, don't you? Meaning he's not now, nor has be ever been, in the highest league.

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Date: 8/15/2011 10:52:18 PM
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Also for the coach of the USA NT people want a proven and amazing coach. If a player is not in one of the top leagues, then they are lacking the experience of playing against top competition. And a good amount of managers in IV and V aren't good managers. While some great managers aren't great for NT, if you aren't a good manager then you won't be a good NT coach.

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Date: 8/15/2011 11:15:26 PM
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I think that you maybe should discuss it on the US national forum?

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194285.7 in reply to 194285.4
Date: 8/15/2011 11:24:25 PM
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He did promote the last two years though, so he is doing something right.

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Date: 8/15/2011 11:40:45 PM
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He did promote the last two years though, so he is doing something right


He is doing something right indeed and I don't want to be taking anything away from him but promoting out of D5 and D4 in consecutive seasons is not as impressive as staying alive in the higher leagues. D5 and D4 are full of bots and some managers that don't know what they are doing but the higher leagues are a completely different ball game. It is when enthusiasm, tactics, type of players all become an integral part of the team to try gain promotion rather than against semi-active teams that play the same tactics week in and week out.

For a NT position, especially one as big as the USA, the NT manager really needs that sort of big league experience as you are playing against some of the best managers in the world.

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Date: 8/16/2011 12:18:39 AM
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Totally agree. In DIV I'm facing teams that don't know how to manage GS and don't TIE at all.

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194285.10 in reply to 194285.8
Date: 8/16/2011 12:45:07 AM
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D5 and D4 are full of bots and some managers that don't know what they are doing but the higher leagues are a completely different ball game.

Then why have only about 3 NBBA teams been able to win a D5 championship? If D5 is full of managers that don't know what they're doing then then what does that say about NBBA managers? It says they're weak sauce, that's what.

Sure, some may make excuses like, "but they were never in D5 to begin with". Not buying it. The only undefeated NBBA team doesn't even have a D4 trophy!! They ran away to the less-competitive higher divisions because they couldn't cut it.

I agree with the original poster.

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Date: 8/16/2011 1:29:25 AM
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Then why have only about 3 NBBA teams been able to win a D5 championship?


I can't say for certain as I am not in USA divisions but these teams have been playing for a significant period of time. Perhaps D5 did not exist when these teams started? Or when they started, they were not put in D5?

There have been cases of newly created teams starting in a division higher than the lowest division in the country.

At the end of the day, if you are are looking to hire a NT coach, would you hire a manager of a D4 team or a team that is in the NBBA?? Sure, you might say on paper, the D4 manager might be just as experienced as the NBBA manager, but whats there to back that up? All things being equal, all you can rely on is that a player in a higher league is better because they have proven that they can win and maintain their position in a higher league

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Date: 8/16/2011 2:50:44 AM
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Then why have only about 3 NBBA teams been able to win a D5 championship? If D5 is full of managers that don't know what they're doing then then what does that say about NBBA managers? It says they're weak sauce, that's what.

Sure, some may make excuses like, "but they were never in D5 to begin with". Not buying it. The only undefeated NBBA team doesn't even have a D4 trophy!! They ran away to the less-competitive higher divisions because they couldn't cut it.

I agree with the original poster.


Am also not in any US Divisions or am familiar with them but I started in Div 4 and every time I was promoted I had to restructure my team because it was progressively more competitive.

As a probable comparison, I also haven't won in Div 2, got promoted due to Bot cleanup. Maybe the reason they haven't won in Div 5 is that they got promoted early. IMHO i'd rather see how a GM manages a team in the higher leagues that in the lower ones.

I also disagree that higher divisions are less competitive - just my 2 cents. Peace :)

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