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From: CrazyEye

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Date: 6/6/2012 5:16:10 AM
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imho you often take shot in the first 8s not sure if the distribution reflect reality or not, but it don't make it look so unrealistic for me.

maybe they can highlight fast break point with own text, since they pretty sure exist which you see best against fcp.

PS: moving it to suggestions.

From: tough

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Date: 6/6/2012 1:50:52 PM
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I thought after a-all-out-steal, 1 on 0 or 2 on 1 meant a 4 second fastbreak. Like in the NBA let's take for example, the OKC Spurs game 3 I think. Russel Westbrook stole a ball and like, withen 5 seconds, dunked it. But EBW is right. I don't see too many fastbreaks. I say a fast-break is withen 5 seconds. Don't see it at all. Unless you count last quarter attempts.

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Date: 6/7/2012 12:44:05 AM
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Yeah... this makes sense.

Player A steals the pass from Player X
That makes me think he read the passing lane, jumped it, grabbed the ball, and sprinted down fora wide open dunk/lay-up

Now, if steals were split into off pass, off dribble, from a big guy with bad handling, froma guy driving and turning over, etc.

but now it seems like a lot of coding.

But It does make sense what tough said.

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219595.5 in reply to 219595.4
Date: 6/7/2012 12:56:28 AM
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In BB FORMAT

Serge Ibaka stole the stole
New format I suggest2-1 FASTBREAK!
Serge Ibaka makes a nice pass to Kevin Durant. Durant stractches out for the dunk.
Scored

Withen 5 seconds I think. That's what I call a fastbreak.

Like this
_________stole the ball
It's a 2-1 or 1-0 fastbreak!
___________alley-opps it to ____________. ___________ goes up strong for a powerful one-handed dunk.

OR
_________ goes for a fast-break layup/fast-break dunk
scored



Now I say 1 handed dunk cause some guys like to show off. And it makes some sense.

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Date: 6/7/2012 12:59:13 AM
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Then you could see the personal fouls, shooting fouls, and even "clear path" fouls.

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Date: 6/7/2012 1:07:56 AM
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Hey I just eeN a highlight from OKC wining and it took 3.79 seconds to run from the 3 pt line in OKC to dunk it. True story, look on ESPN. So really a FASTBREAK is less than 5 seconds, give or take cause of speed.

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Date: 6/7/2012 8:20:02 PM
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In my opinion, fast breaks do happen, but the game engine isnt designed to allow it to happen inside of 5 seconds.
I think the only types of shots that happen inside of 5 seconds are half court prayers, tip ins, or buzzerbeaters.
eg: If you get the ball with 5 seconds left on the game clock, your team will 9/10, shoot it on the buzzer.

so its more about what constitutes a fast break - steal then shot? What if i steal the ball and take a shot 8 seconds later? Thats not a fast break in my opinion, but its probably what the game engine determines to be a 'fast break'.

But yes, i agree, there should be a few more opportunities in the game, definately following a steal, which result in quick bucket.

And as a side note, lack of fast breaks is one of the reasons why the guards have such low FG%. They tend to steal the ball more in real life.
If you take two fast break points a game(assuming the player makes the layup!), and you're only shooting 10 shots a game(including fast break shots), suddenly your shooting percentage goes up 20% for that game.


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219595.10 in reply to 219595.9
Date: 6/8/2012 2:32:12 AM
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true! Interesting!

1 second, and a few that were 4 seconds, and a few that were 6 seconds.

All after steals.

well spotted

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219595.11 in reply to 219595.10
Date: 6/8/2012 3:14:36 AM
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What I mean it ussually takes for an average NBA player to make it from 75+ feet to the hoop in less than 5 seconds....that's a true fast-break, right? If we knew where the steals were, that'd be different. But I'd like to see more fast-breaks or at least a few more fastbreak attempts. Makes the game more exciting. Usual steals are like this...........

Player A steals the ball.

15 seconds+ later...........

Player B takes a jump shot from the elbow, guarded closly by player E.........

shot missed

But what if it was a F-B?
It would've been two easy points right? When I play basketball (and everyone else) they usually when they make a wide-open steal, go straight to the basket and run hard, right????

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Date: 6/8/2012 3:37:09 AM
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yer in some cases, albiet Manon has proved that in his game, there were at least a handful of occassions where the steal was followed by a score 1, 4 and 6 seconds after the steal.

And his steals were 10+ seconds into the oppositions play, so they will be at least past the halfcout line.

So yer. fast breaks do happen.

But still, not enough really.


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