Thanks Pal, I wouldnt give up. You still have a good team...The dif between the Bi8 and Great 8 is that in the Big 8 we, well me and a few other teams like Ohlmers, Firefoxxe really concentrate on getting the "D" to work for us/me. I have a few all around players but most of my guys are outside/inside defense strong or above. My biggest problem now is that most of my guys are gassed for some reason. They're game shape is nowhere it should be nor the stamina as well. Playing agaist Firefoxx is going to be tricky. I have a couple of options for game planning and starting line up change but my bigs are playing the best right now.