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268036.2 in reply to 268036.1
Date: 2/26/2015 8:44:10 AM
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I haven't really tested out those defenses yet, but my guess would be the rest of the players would be in a box. If you wanted to have 1 defender defending from a specified position on the court then I'd suggest going man and changing who matches up on who. I'd only consider the ISO defenses if I'm going up against an ISO offense and I've determined I don't have good overall 1-on-1 defenders but have at least one that can defend in the area I'm looking for (perimeter or inside) against a team with only 1 go to scorer.

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268036.3 in reply to 268036.2
Date: 2/26/2015 9:27:34 AM
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So is it your best defender on their best scorer? Or is it pg on pg, sg on sg and so on?

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268036.4 in reply to 268036.3
Date: 2/26/2015 9:32:49 AM
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Your best [inside or outside] defender is on their best [inside or outside] scorer and the rest of the players are in a zone playing defense with zone concepts, is what I figure.

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268036.5 in reply to 268036.4
Date: 2/26/2015 9:35:15 AM
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Yeah that would make sense but the game manual just mentions 1 defender and their best scorer, not best defender on best scorer.

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268036.7 in reply to 268036.5
Date: 2/26/2015 7:45:23 PM
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I think its hard to define it is 'best defender on best scorer'

their best scorer from the game might come somewhere else, because you defended their best scorer. Ironic.

Ive always assumed that Outside Box is - your best OD player. whom he defends? the best outside shooter from the opposition.
Is this the player that would have normally taken the most outside shots? not necessarily.

happy to hear otherwise from people. Ive played this defense a few times, so I might have some data I can scrounge up.

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268036.8 in reply to 268036.7
Date: 2/26/2015 7:54:10 PM
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Ive always assumed that Outside Box is - your best OD player.
That's not very true in my experience. My SF got picked last time over a guard with 6 extra OD levels...

Bottom line, Obox-1 seems downright terrible. Ratings are ok, but the results are disgusting. It might work against patient if you also have your best defenders concentrated at one position but that's about it. I think even 1-3-1 is better than Obox-1.

Ibox-1 seems to be working better. Quite possibly because it does not completely mess up the key defensive assignment.

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268036.9 in reply to 268036.8
Date: 2/26/2015 10:46:40 PM
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yes it does work against Patient offence quite well.

How do you know that your SF was picked as the and1 defender?


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268036.10 in reply to 268036.9
Date: 2/27/2015 3:22:32 AM
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Well I was playing against R&G, not patient, but even if the guard got picked, the SF defended most of the outside shots. My opponent had 1 dominant scorer, but he played him off the bench, that might have messed up things too.

Either way I badly lost this game, the end result is closer but it wasn't that close when I watched: (79191134). If either his SG or PG was guarded 1 on 1 by my C out of position (my usual SG) they should have been killed defensively, instead his SG was guarded by my SG (who is normally my backup SF and was coming back from injury) and the rest was a zone defense

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268036.11 in reply to 268036.10
Date: 2/27/2015 7:16:04 AM
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the SF defended most of the outside shots.

ahhhhhh but you see this is where it gets tricky.

just because a player takes the most shots in the game, doesn't mean the Boxn1 should defend them. Does it?
So maybe your And1 defended the best outside offensive player, and shut him down, and so the opposition had to revert to a different player shooting their shots. This player happened to be defended by your SF who was in the box.

so any assumptions made that 'their best offensive player is the guy who shoots the most shots in the game' is actually not always true.


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268036.12 in reply to 268036.11
Date: 2/27/2015 8:51:57 AM
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Well the guy who was defended by my SF was the opponents SG. He went down in the second quarter and by then he had already taken 11 shots in 15 minutes (scoring 17 points).

so any assumptions made that 'their best offensive player is the guy who shoots the most shots in the game' is actually not always true.
This is the game: (79191134). You're a supporter so you can run the play-by-play through Buzzer Control or other software. Moutlinho/Hrudey already found out this though: (220862.1) and specifically (220862.9).

I must admit I did use OBox1 both because I thought my opponent would play patient and because I knew they had that discussion in the past and wanted to double check.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/27/2015 8:58:43 AM

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