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"Strictly" "Follow" Depth Chart is bugged, don't deny it (thread closed)

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From: Jay (OTT)

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Date: 12/2/2017 10:54:51 AM
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If this is true then it's even WORSE then if it was a bug, because that means one of the developers has decided to go out of their way to inconvenience and annoy players of this game.

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It's true. The BB's don't support 48 minute training for it 'not being common in real life'. Apparently they want teams to tank and not have a bench in order to most effectively train players instead.

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Date: 12/3/2017 3:03:17 AM
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And if a basketball coach was ever specifically told by their boss to play a particular player for the whole game, they would. The coach is an employee of the franchise and as their employer I expect certain orders to be followed.

From: Jay (OTT)

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Date: 12/3/2017 9:39:00 AM
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This has nothing to do with 'sacrificing' realism or achieving game balance, because;

A: There was no realism in the training system to begin with. Players in real life don't have to play a certain amount of minutes at a specific position per week just to gain access to a training session with the coach and/or trainers.

B: So obviously playing 48 minutes in real life is unrealistic, but only because there's no playing time based training system in real life. So if players randomly not playing 48 minutes was designed as a feature and not a bug, that's one element of realism that needs to be 'sacrificed' in order to make the game better.

C: Also, the last thing we need is for training to be more difficult due to an unexplained feature where the coach will randomly disobey our orders. That's not good game balance.

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Date: 12/3/2017 12:01:02 PM
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FWIW, my experience with blowout minutes is that you can get 48 minutes for your trainees if the following conditions are met:

1) Dress no more than 9 players - your trainee, and Starter + Backup/Reserve for the other 4 positions.
2) Set the trainee as Starter + Backup + Reserve at the desired position
3) Set to Strictly Follow Depth Chart
4) Ensure the trainee has decent stamina. If the trainee is 4 (inept) or lower stamina, there's a chance the coach will decide the trainee is tired enough he should come out of a blowout, even in SFDC. I assume it's because there's a higher injury risk when a player is tired or something, so the coach is weighing that against what you told him to do and figuring it's better to ask forgiveness for pulling the player.

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Date: 12/4/2017 8:14:25 AM
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Stamina is a good point... however the specific game that triggered this current thread saw a player of mine with Average (6) stamina get subbed off. The game before that, a player with Mediocre (5) stayed in for the 48, despite the match situation possibly justifying such a substitution.

If there is a specific pattern that results in the coach going against the manager's wishes in this scenario where the first three steps have all been followed, I'm not seeing it.

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Date: 12/5/2017 6:54:36 PM
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Judging by the box score (and the Ratings) of your 11/28 game, which I assume is the game in question, I wonder if the stamina effect I see with my teams is more of a "player's current effectiveness is WAY WAY worse" than everyone else on the team effect. So in my case I only see it with very low stamina players, because I'm still lower div and my trainees are not that much below my starters in terms of stats / rating / playing power.

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