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I think rebounding is one of the skills that is a little overrated, especially for the salary that it adds to bigs. I think a player with bad rebounding is a lot smaller of a hole than a player with bad OD or lower ID/SB.

I believe that rebounding is largely a team influenced stat, and many times, while all other players are boxing out, the ball will simply fall to a guy with bad rebounding because his team as a whole is better at rebounding.

The truth is that the difference between a guy with 12 REB and a guy with 15 REB only equates to a few more rebounds a game, and many times getting better rebounding at the 1-3 spots makes up for those 2-3 rebounds and saves a lot of salary.

My typical starting SG has atrocious rebounding and still averages 3.9-4.0 rebounds per 48 minutes.

Even more interesting is that my backup C (11 REB) averages 18.1 REB per 48 minutes and my starting C (15 REB) averages only 18.6 REB per 48 minutes. Not a big difference at all. Sure who they are rebounding against will make a difference but my overall point in that there is just a tiny gap of rebounding between players with varying skill level is still shown I think.

Last edited by E.B.W. at 6/15/2019 11:05:08 AM

I won't post name since he is on the TL, but this is a guy that shows how much salary you can save by not having rebounding. His passing is also low which is a salary saver. This is a 131 TSP player with 16-17 in all other big skills, but only a salary of 77k. Very interesting! He averaged 7.6 rebounds last season in 36 mpg, for perspective.

Weekly salary: $ 77 560
Role: regular starter


DMI: 585800
Age: 33
Height: 6'9" / 206 cm
Potential: MVP
Game Shape: respectable
Jump Shot: prodigious ↑ Jump Range: tremendous
Outside Def.: proficient Handling: prodigious
Driving: stupendous ↑ Passing: mediocre
Inside Shot: prodigious Inside Def.: stupendous
Rebounding: mediocre Shot Blocking: stupendous
Stamina: average Free Throw: strong

Experience: prolific TSP: 131 (76 + 55)


Last edited by E.B.W. at 6/15/2019 11:12:30 AM

Rebounding doesn't matter until you start getting outrebounded by 20 or 30. It matters more in D1 than in lower divisions because the gap there is lower. Bigs with 11 and even 12 rebounding just get murdered on the glass in D1, it's not even funny and it is indeed a matter of matchups and the relative rebounding ability of the rest of the team. The bottom line is the better defenses are compared to offenses the more valuable RB becomes.

That player is one of Nachmahr's. In a vacuum he seems reasonable (even considering he spent all his career against D2 and D3 players), but you can see what happens against decent rebounding teams with such a player (just picked the last 2 games of last season where the overall rebounding was quite even despite him playing at home):
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You give up 10 rebounds at the position against good teams. 10 rebounds = almost 10 possessions = 9 points (a bit more actually). That's what he costs you.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 6/15/2019 5:25:24 PM

Sure, I agree with you, but then all you need to do is lower the gap. The player I showed was just to point out how you can lower the salary of a player by basically 100k if you don't train any Rebounding. I understand that he gives up extra rebounds and due to that extra points to the other team, but all that saved salary also allows you to upgrade your other positions, that was the point I was making.

I still don't think you need to have 17-18 REB ever, unless you truly don't care about salary at all. In D.I I'm sure you can lower the gap, have bigs with 14-15 REB and they would still do fine in my eyes. There are so many NT bigs that have 15 REB around the world who dominate.

I think (for USA at least) :

11-12 REB is enough at the bigs spots in D.III
13 REB is enough at the bigs spots in D.II
14-15 REB is enough at the bigs spots in D.I

all that saved salary also allows you to upgrade your other positions, that was the point I was making.

It may be fools gold though. 5 IS and 16 RB on that player is probably around 10-15k more, 5 SB and 16 RB about 20-25k more. How much more salary do you need to pay to the C or SF or the guards to bridge the gap? Note that the player was paired with a 150k C in D2. That same C is averaging about 12.5 RB/36 in D1 in France now.

In D.I I'm sure you can lower the gap, have bigs with 14-15 REB and they would still do fine in my eyes.

C and PF are kind of different. At PF you will probably be ok with less than 14 (it will depend on the opponent), at C you will need more to guarantee you grab more rebounds or you're even at the position. Of course, that assumes both teams play the same type of tactics, because you will need more RB if you play outside or balanced tactics and your opponent plays inside.

There are so many NT bigs that have 15 REB around the world who dominate.

In NT games usually FG% is a bit higher than league games (when the level between the teams is quite even) so you often get around 85-90 rebound opportunities instead of up to 100-110. Yesterday the 2 top teams in my Utopia league played each other (106781333) and ended with 54 boards each

I think (for USA at least)

I'd think 11-13-15/16 for Cs and a couple of points below that for PFs may be enough depending on the league and what you're trying to do (win the league, playoffs, avoid relegation etc). In lower leagues the trade-off between rebounding and other inside skills is bigger.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 6/16/2019 7:32:44 AM

This whole thing was already debated in the past btw. (263135.5)

Last edited by Lemonshine at 6/16/2019 11:31:12 AM

Thanks for the perspective! Its always cool talking about these things.