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Proficient is the soft cap for stamina. Going to prominent is possible but will immediately drop the following week and they won't be able to get any stamina training when they're at prominent.

If I changed my training this week, I would understand what you said. And I would like to add a point because I have others players that can hold stamina at prominent level for more than 1 week (I cannot say for real, but I think they can hang 4/5 weeks or more if we don't exceed too much the minimum trainnig minutes)

As this game is a management simulator, in my opinion if we talk about logic, every time you train, the trained players should increase something (an undefined value), a few times the player pop up, but in most of the time the player don't pop up, however if he doesn't popup he should increase something. If we reach the stamina top level and train stamina, it's not logic to pop down, the logic says that, at least, the attribute should remain unchanged.

I also must say that what happened it's not a big deal, I'm not mad with the game, but my point here is trying to report that as a management simulating game, this specific training episode kinda prove that maybe some logic is broken here. And I'm not sure if something like this could happen when you are training other attributes where you are at top level. :o

The logic makes sense to me, if you assume the game checks training before stamina drops:

- Player is at 10.00 stamina
- Training happens, training stamina but player cannot increase above 10.00 so gets no benefit
- Stamina decay happens, player drops below 10.00 stamina and thus shows a drop to proficient

Imagine you're playing fooball manager, you have Erling Haaland in your team, he is "20" (the max level) at finishing and you're training finishing attribute that week. Suddenly the training report come and Halland pop down to "19".

It would be wonderful! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anyway, I believe you will still say that it's logic and that's ok. We just have different points of view.

i agree it does not make sense.

The game engine should do the drop before you get your training. If your entire team is at max stamina, and you train stamina, then you get drops for everyone. Senseless

Time to put it in the suggestion forums

I think it makes enough sense - maybe not in a pure game perspective - but as the stamina skill at 10 is already the highest it can go think of training it further as overtraining. Doing the same exercise too much in real life while not having a rounded training regime can definitely have a negative impact.

Doing the same exercise too much in real life while not having a rounded training regime can definitely have a negative impact.

That's a terrible example. That's totally not what overtraining is.

Let me paint the picture to you. If you run 1km a day, you'd be able to run 1km at a faster pace and be less tired after the run. Your condition will improve until it plateaus at your peak. But if you keep at 1km, your condition won't get worse due to overtraining. You will maintain your condition. Overtraining is running 1km every day then suddenly decide to do 10km on a random day.

I think it's not a huge point, to be honest. In my experience, in this game to have 9 or 10 stamina is pretty much the same.

However, I kind of still disagree though. I see no reason to see a decline in Stamina while training Stamina. And I don't think it was conceptualized as overtraining by the creators of the game. I think it's just how they did it, and no one really complained about it before. Of course, we are all aware that Prominent means 10.0, and Proficient means 9.9. So the supposed effects of any change here are probably slim to none.

Also, since training Stamina training gives something like 0.5 per week, the drop is probably more like < 0.1/week. I think it's more of a potential cosmetic change than anything else.

On the other hand, Stamina is a full-team type of training. So the overtraining argument is slim in that perspective. Let's say I have some "Stamina 1" guys and some "Stamina 10" guys. Now it looks like some kind of penalty for the top stamina guys