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63883.2 in reply to 63883.1
Date: 12/12/2008 7:46:16 AM
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I changed the title so that this didnt have to be closed, and it was something I was gonig to post about here now anyways.

How are people feeling about their Doc's w/ massage specialty?

I'm wondering if it was worth the extra 100-200k. Each of the last two weeks I had a player get 99 and 98 minutes and then drop 2 levels of GS. Overall, game shape has been horrible this season too.

Most my players are getting 80-90 mins, so that's kinda on the high side but compared to the last two seasons under the same conditions game shape has been worse.

So, massage specialty, good/bad/can't tell?

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From: ardain

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63883.3 in reply to 63883.2
Date: 12/12/2008 7:52:07 AM
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I have liked it so far.

I have been averaging 70 minutes - usually a few more minutes than ideal. This week, all my players were between 64 and 72 and ended in proficient shape.

I occasionally have a guy in the 80s and the effects were modest. I think massage basically extends your range into the low 70s before you get the big game shape hits.

From: brian

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63883.5 in reply to 63883.4
Date: 12/12/2008 9:28:08 AM
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Maybe its just me, but in the past my players have been fine up to 80 mins. After that it's harder to gain but usually maintain. Over 90 is usually when you can expect a drop, but its not certain. 100+ seems to be an almost certain drop.

So, based on that history, I'm surprised that 2 players have been just under 100 and had a massage trainer but still both dropped 2 levels. If I manage minutes a little better I hopefully won't be testing this again in awhile. But, if you start a player in two games and he doesnt sub very often, it's pretty easy to get at or near the 90 mark.

Last edited by brian at 12/12/2008 9:28:46 AM

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63883.6 in reply to 63883.5
Date: 12/12/2008 10:05:05 AM
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I hired a massage doctor (ok, he is level 4) but I feel like form got considerably worst comparing to former seasons. I dont't know if something in form was changed by the BBs, but what I am sure is that my massage trainer have been kind of useless until now. I am thinking seriously of going back to a doctor level 5 without any skills.

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63883.7 in reply to 63883.1
Date: 12/12/2008 10:40:58 AM
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I had a player rack up 92 minutes this week, I have a lvl 4 doc with Massage, he maintained GS at an 8 (strong).

Last edited by Mortons at 12/12/2008 10:42:39 AM

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63883.8 in reply to 63883.1
Date: 12/12/2008 12:03:55 PM
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the bug thred is closed so i posted here...

i have a player who played 82 min` and got 8.5 rank at the last game...

i wonder how i wonder why his game shpe fell down from the very high sky?!?

from 9
he droppd to 7

i have 5 doctor with masage

Game shape is not guaranteed to go up or remain the same. The optimal minutes per week are way below 80 anyhow.

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63883.9 in reply to 63883.8
Date: 12/12/2008 3:39:13 PM
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it helped once I guess. Player with 94 minutes didn't drop. Game shape of my players is genreally ok , but this week I experienced a drop after 74 minutes played. So it looks that the while thing is not much reliable. At least in respectable-proficient range.

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63883.10 in reply to 63883.5
Date: 12/12/2008 7:43:41 PM
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so far i haven't had any real problems with a doctor with massage. it's actually been well worth the money. i have 10 players at strong to proficient game shape and 2 players that don't have good GS because they don't play. my two centers usually get above 90 minutes so i needed the extra boost. this week my center who got 90 minutes hit proficient GS. i have noticed that it does fluctuate but not once has a player dropped below respectable GS. that includes when a player i had hit 120 minutes (due to injuries i had to play him a ton) he only dropped to respectable from strong.

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63883.11 in reply to 63883.8
Date: 12/12/2008 10:41:27 PM
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How do you know this? I'm not saying you are wrong just wondering how you came by this piece of information.

I had a player increase his game shape from respectable to strong while playing 84 minutes last week while another player went from proficient to strong while logging 64 minutes.

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63883.12 in reply to 63883.11
Date: 12/12/2008 10:46:32 PM
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This doesn't answer your question specifically, but I think it's worth mentioning the following excerpt from the rules:

Players who do not play much each week tend to lose focus and their Game Shape will be sloppy. Players who play too much in a week will get tired and their Game Shape will also be low-quality. These changes are gradual, and will build up over a few weeks' time.


So, a player's game shape one week isn't just determined by his playing time in the previous week. As for the optimal number of minutes, I would guess somewhere in the 48-72 range, but I don't actually know.

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