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161502.21 in reply to 161502.20
Date: 10/18/2010 1:45:38 PM
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Maybe he's trying to say its hard to succeed with a training-to-sell based model then it would be in an inflationary market, as compare to a training-for-keeps model. If you're training for other teams you won't get much return. If you're training your players for keeps to win and have a team built around that training you will see dividends in revenues derived from on-court success (promotion, arena).

If so, that's true. Though I don't think this is bad. If winning and promoting is the best way to make money over training-selling then that means more teams will focusing on competing. I'd much rather have a game were the best way to succeed is success on the court over success off of it.

For me it's hard to separate this issues from Hattrick, a game where it's easier to be financially successful by training and avoiding promotion. It's the single biggest reason I've given up on that game.

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161502.22 in reply to 161502.19
Date: 10/18/2010 1:59:33 PM
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There should be some pain in order to create better well-rounded players with better performance/salary ratio than only primary skills players.

If you feel you are not getting the competitive advantage you think you should get by training that way, then you can choose to not do it. You can always make a safe bet with classic or more conservative training regimes wich will give you value on market and court. Sure, they won't be unique players but the won't bad ones either.

I know is hard to face a spiky economic enviroment like the present but there is one thing for sure, it provides you a set of rules in wich you know the best teams won't create an insurmountable gap between you and them. This will be true between you and your league's champion like is true between you and your country's champion. But it does have a cost: it can be frustrating at times.

Maybe an interesting policy could be to continue with small salary deflation combined with some increase of money for teams in a way that could achieve the same goals as the current dinamic system. This could also bring some extra fun for managers. I mean, getting more money is something managers value and if it's done in a interesting way it could be usefull. Like getting invitations for movie stars to your VIP seats in order to get extra cash or merchandising(an unexploted feature of the game).

Last edited by Zero, the Magi. at 10/18/2010 2:01:22 PM

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161502.23 in reply to 161502.21
Date: 10/18/2010 2:04:51 PM
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Maybe he's trying to say its hard to succeed with a training-to-sell based model then it would be in an inflationary market, as compare to a training-for-keeps model. If you're training for other teams you won't get much return. If you're training your players for keeps to win and have a team built around that training you will see dividends in revenues derived from on-court success (promotion, arena).

But also if you train for your team(as for example I do,as you can see from my transfer history),to be competitive in the medium time,you will need to sell some of the players that you train to buy other players in the roles that you don't train,and at the time,the value of the mid-level players(especially centers) is really too low

Training bi-role,you can't have better than average player,so you are forced to change training and lose much more time before ever start to be competitive

But if you train mono-role,you have to fight with the restrictions on the salaries,and with deflaction you can't have enough value from the player's sell to rebuild a good part of the your team

It's economically a tragedy



Last edited by Steve Karenn at 10/18/2010 2:05:37 PM

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161502.24 in reply to 161502.23
Date: 10/18/2010 2:21:36 PM
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Training bi-role,you can't have better than average player


It's economically a tragedy


That's beyond hyperbole. I'm having trouble deciding which comment is most exaggerated.

Last edited by brian at 10/18/2010 2:22:02 PM

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161502.25 in reply to 161502.24
Date: 10/18/2010 2:54:31 PM
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Training bi-role,you can't have better than average player


It's economically a tragedy


That's beyond hyperbole. I'm having trouble deciding which comment is most true


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161502.26 in reply to 161502.25
Date: 10/18/2010 3:21:15 PM
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You're so far from reality it's not worth the time to debate. I've built my team up to one of the top ranked teams in the world by mostly training 2 position. I'm not saying that this is the best way or the only way. It's impossible to debate with extremists and even worse you end up looking like an apologist.

I think deflation is probably higher then is best for the game, but its far from a tragedy. Salaries were reduced by 10% this season. This might not be a massive influx of money into the system which is good because the worst thing for the game is major changes. If the 10% reduction in salaries and another season for the market to balance out isn't enough then the BB's can make another adjustment next season. Rinse and repeat.

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161502.27 in reply to 161502.26
Date: 10/18/2010 4:14:01 PM
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You're so far from reality it's not worth the time to debate.

I know you are a freaking good manager,but maybe this is the problem when you talk in this discussion
Because when I see the history of your team,I can see that you start from season 1 in II division,you won the playoffs to be promoted in season 2,and from season 3 you was never relegated from NBBA
In this time you have win a lot,and I have only to compliment with you for your great season during all of these season

But your great game history,show that you have not a minimum knowledge of the economical restrictions in the low categories,and the way the economy reflects on low divisions teams is much more different than the way that reflects on team like yours.

You have the starting five with all +100k salary players,that you will not have problem to sell in any condition on the market,and they will always have an high value related to the conditions of the market
You always had I division incomes and few problems when you decided to train intensively a player and you are not forced to sell him

These are all things that,with all the respect for your great game skills,you simply don't know

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161502.28 in reply to 161502.27
Date: 10/18/2010 4:24:51 PM
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But your great game history,show that you have not a minimum knowledge of the economical restrictions in the low categories


I also have helped mentor teams from lower divisions, in one case all the way from IV to a competitor in the NBBA. I know more about lower division management then you would assume. I don't mentor a lot of teams, but the ones have mentored I know almost every detail about.

You have the starting five with all +100k salary players,that you will not have problem to sell in any condition on the market,and they will always have an high value related to the conditions of the market


Not really, my players have also dropped heavily in value over the last few seasons. Players I bought for 8m/7m just a few seasons ago have recently just sold for half that amount along with being trained. Really, that doesnt matter to me, because market sales are all relative if you are re-investing them into market purchases.

The low market sucks for teams that are trying to stockpile money. The low market is awesome for teams that saved up money seasons ago, held it, and are getting awesome players for a fraction of the price. There are winners and losers in this market. The bulk of the teams are neutral as they sell players and buy new ones with the proceeds.

Last edited by brian at 10/18/2010 4:32:41 PM

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161502.29 in reply to 161502.28
Date: 10/18/2010 4:30:27 PM
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You have the starting five with all +100k salary players,that you will not have problem to sell in any condition on the market,and they will always have an high value related to the conditions of the market


Not really, my players have also dropped heavily in value over the last few seasons. Players I bought for 8m/7m just a few seasons ago have recently just sold for half that amount along with being trained. Really, that doesnt matter to me, because market sales are all relative if you are re-investing them into market purchases.

The low market sucks for teams that are trying to stockpile money. The low market is awesome for teams that saved up money seasons ago, held it, and are getting awesome players for a fraction of the price. There are winners and losers in this market. The bulk of the teams are neutral as they sell players and buy new ones with the proceeds.

Woo-Hoo, after 14 seaosn we learned that the solution to win is to have the luck to do the day-trading when the market flourish and save money for the period when there's deflaction
F*** programming the growth of your team

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 10/18/2010 4:30:52 PM

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161502.30 in reply to 161502.29
Date: 10/18/2010 4:57:21 PM
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The more you write, the more it shows how little you actually understand about the game...

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