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205854.20 in reply to 205854.19
Date: 1/14/2012 2:18:46 PM
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You know that 99.5 % of the players leaving leave because of it not beeing an all graphic click and win game, don´t you?


Where did you get that number? Out of a magic hat?

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205854.26 in reply to 205854.21
Date: 1/15/2012 4:57:19 PM
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Kinda basic with these kind of games. When they see they have to actually spend some time to win they are gone like the wind.
I know people that didn't even bother to log on when they had to wait for their team to be created so ^^


Maybe thats true for new users.

But that does not explain a decline from ~60k users to less than 50k in one year. In Austria we lost dozens of established teams that played the game a very long time... Why do these users leave? Not hard to imagine why...

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205854.27 in reply to 205854.26
Date: 1/15/2012 5:49:56 PM
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Kinda basic with these kind of games. When they see they have to actually spend some time to win they are gone like the wind.
I know people that didn't even bother to log on when they had to wait for their team to be created so ^^


Maybe thats true for new users.

But that does not explain a decline from ~60k users to less than 50k in one year. In Austria we lost dozens of established teams that played the game a very long time... Why do these users leave? Not hard to imagine why...

And apparently (and not surprisingly), what I've thought about the other BB-nation, that has some "new" teams, seems to be precise.
It is not that they where over-bitten by a team that had the ability to go over the huge money that just continue to pile up, but they where just leaving the game (due to their own reasons).
So, again, my claim for a game that needs massive changes, due to uncompetitiveness and other reasons, seems to be simply CORRECT.

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205854.28 in reply to 205854.27
Date: 1/15/2012 5:52:40 PM
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Huh? Because users in leagues where they can be competitive rather soon are leaving, your claim that the game is uncompetitve is true?

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205854.29 in reply to 205854.28
Date: 1/15/2012 6:42:13 PM
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Much as I hate to jump on the Pini bandwagon I will point out something.

The GMs keep telling us that things are fine and balanced. That the 2-3 zone works. That LI isn't better than all the other tactics. That coming 5th isn't better than coming 4th. That the draft isn't broken. That micronations work. That the salaries for big men are fine. That free agents pushing prices for $50,000 a week big men down to $200,000 is good. That it is still worth training when the prices of players is so low.

The trouble is the players don't believe it and the BBs silence doesn't convince anyone. I don't know how much time the BBs spend working on the game but surely between the group of them (I don't even know how many there are they are so low profile) they can find five minutes once a week to actually say something. Surely. Right now there is a feeling amongst some of the player base that there are obvious problems and that nothing is being done about them. They feel like the BBs are using the Ostrich tactic rather than communicating with them.

Not wanting to be all doom and gloom let me say there have been a ton of positives. The site is working much better than last season. No training delays in recent memory. Games all running well. Transfer market operating. Some of the new features like polls and ranking ladders are cool.

It is claimed that the BBs read all the suggestions. What I would love to see is once a week they just take five minutes to reply to a few. Some positive news, even if it is spin or propaganda would make the playerbase in general much more happy to at least feel like they are being heard.

There is always a massive turnover in a game like this. I have probably signed up to 10 similar games and this is the best, the others have lost me. Lets make the game work and arrest the declining numbers. Some new features even cosmetic ones would be good. The game is sensational even with the issues, the PR and advertising is pitiful.

Last edited by yodabig at 1/15/2012 6:42:44 PM

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205854.30 in reply to 205854.29
Date: 1/15/2012 7:23:01 PM
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Come on Yoda - about half the recently opened Suggestions outside Pini are from me - I´m the first to admit that there´s things to target in order to make BB -better-. There´s valid points about things worth spending a thought on - but it´s a difference to have a concept which works - in principle - which might need some "new ideas" here and there and a "great game, but let´s change everything and do something completely different".

The GMs telling you that 2-3 works are not telling it because of any conspiracy but because their experience. Crazyeye is a perfect example. He´s not defending the 2-3 because he HAS to, he´s making a point about using the 2-3 "in the right way", and honestly, while reading his posts concerning 2-3 I learned a lot about how to build a team to make a 2-3 actually work. I adopted some of the principles and was able to understand ALL kinds of defence (outside 1-3-1, which is imho far off in simulation what it´s supposed to be in real life).

Take a look around and the current GMs. The majority of them is -lower class- players, at least the ones I have most contact with. Alot of 2nd and 3rd division coaches who have been around for a long long time.

There´s topics of real "headache" for the community - off season structure (concerning the non-transparent situation between 5th place and 3rd 4th), the "dominance" of LI, the Draft, the economy, the site performance, forfeits and "tanking". But once you go back to recent seasons, there have been PLENTY adjustments and attempts to balance things. Actually the "5th-place-situation" arose from the problem of 6th / 7th place dominance. So the original problem was solved - it´s worth becoming 5th atm. Now there´s two different opinions about whether or not it´s worth becoming 4th instead of 5th, and the community asks for more transparency there, fine. Do you really doubt that this will be targeted sooner or later?

So most of the people around seem to favour a clear cut and easy-to-understand solution for the "offseason income". There´s different approaches, and obviously most have their pros and contras. Fine. But honestly, you cannot blame all and everything on that.

Aswell it´s hard to blame the tanking for everything. Tankers make what - 2 Million a season (without income losses, who cannot be instantly seen on paper)? You won´t get far with 2 Millions without having a team, won´t you agree? It doesn´t hurt having the money, but it´s not like "yeah, let´s tank a season and then it´s all mine". I´m pretty sure after 5 seasons of tanking (70 weeks!) you grow impatient at some point when you miss a promotion because of an injured player or some bad luck.

And that´s it for pretty much every point. There will never be a -perfect- game, and it´s fine to collect thoughts and ideas about what MIGHT be better, but please don´t pretend it´s the end of the world, everybody-who-is-not-me-sucks, I´m-right-and-everything-else-is-cheating and so on.

You´re still here, and I take this as an agreement that the overall concept here is fine. Let´s try to collect some input in what may and what may not help the game advance. And discuss it. Most of us agree in principle about many topics. But things have to be seen in perspective.

Off topic out. Sorry for getting drifted away.

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