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we have the amount of draft picks in every league, so the supply should be the same ;) And if you offer a draft pick, you are willing to sell him and then the price is indepent of the team who own it. Cause you have trouble with indepent, it means it don't play a role.

You are looking from the seller POV, as if he doesn't know what he can get when he is trying to close a deal with the team in front of him.

So now i am going on the sellers point of view:

Team A sells player X
Div 5 team offers 40.000 and a first round pick
Div 1 team offers 50.000 and a first round pick

(both team finished the same place in the league)

So you as a seller would take the second round pick? I would be pretty pissed if a sell a player, and the div 5 team overbid the div 1 team with that offer.

As a seller i would maybe ask the div 5 team, hey if you bid 52.000 you get him but i would never choose is offer over the other one.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 1/7/2012 4:51:26 PM

They say "Third time is a charm", but I'm not sure that explaining to those who hold their foot at the door with purpose has a chance. But I'll give it a try.

1) The auction system is defined as a simple bidding system.
That is due to the fact that money is the only thing involved.

But, the action performed when selling a player in the real world is bargaining.
A team who sells a player knows what a draft-pick worth to the team who tries to buy it.
Hence they know that they can value it for less in a deal with that team.
"Carmelo will leave the team anyhow next summer, we will not give you a all-star player, but a little bit less".

2) We can also look at it for another POV;
Let's say that we agree that a draft-pick option is something that should be added (as an option) to a deal. I don't see why not.
Now we need to ask ourselves - should a buyer who value draft players less, as can be seen by comparing different divisions team's rosters, should get the same value for his draft pick?
The answer is NO.
They are NOT the poor teams that needs to get more for something they NEVER used.
[By getting the same as the one who do use it, it means that they getting MORE.]

1) The auction system is defined as a simple bidding system.
That is due to the fact that money is the only thing involved.

But, the action performed when selling a player in the real world is bargaining.
A team who sells a player knows what a draft-pick worth to the team who tries to buy it.
Hence they know that they can value it for less in a deal with that team.
"Carmelo will leave the team anyhow next summer, we will not give you a all-star player, but a little bit less".

I think Melo and Paul was traded for a good value, but yes it is true you get less when the product have less worth since he haven't a contract. But i am sure denver and New orleans heard all interest and then take the best offer for them, and not the the worst offer they get ;)

Are auctions in israel really like that, we got a bid above 5$ would someone else bid 4$ to "overbid" him? I am pretty sure those auctionars go bancrupt pretty fast.

You really prefer to take less money when you sell something???

1) The auction system is defined as a simple bidding system.
That is due to the fact that money is the only thing involved.

But, the action performed when selling a player in the real world is bargaining.
A team who sells a player knows what a draft-pick worth to the team who tries to buy it.
Hence they know that they can value it for less in a deal with that team.
"Carmelo will leave the team anyhow next summer, we will not give you a all-star player, but a little bit less".

I think Melo and Paul was traded for a good value, but yes it is true you get less when the product have less worth since he haven't a contract. But i am sure denver and New orleans heard all interest and then take the best offer for them, and not the the worst offer they get ;)

Are auctions in israel really like that, we got a bid above 5$ would someone else bid 4$ to "overbid" him? I am pretty sure those auctionars go bancrupt pretty fast.

You really prefer to take less money when you sell something???

To summarize it, you had no answers to the questions given, so you just written again a point that had already been answered.

Denver got less for Melo from what he is worth, because the buyer had known the status of the player and his team, and know that his actual price should be lower. Which they succeed to get at.

AND

If you are saying they will get the best price they can get, than the players surely know that they can get more money from a team is in an higher division.
So, how did you find yourself not agreeing to that suggestion???
GOTCHA.

You propose to buy draft pick which I can't know the quality. Being in the first is not a proof of quality.

I heard that Stern is about to quit, and they are looking for great minds that will suggest things like removing the current trading in the NBA which includes draft picks... Picks that were proven not to be fully correlated with quality (just as it is in BB Draft-list).

So why would I buy this product when I can chose from the FL exactly what I want ?

You don't want to, then don't use this option.
It is an OPTION a seller may choose to use (allowing X draft picks being part of the trade), and a buyer may exploit (giving a draft-pick as part of the offer/bid).

And don´t forget that it makes auctions ALOT more complicated, as the accepting team has to tell / judge on the offer, instead of just "highest bid wins". I don´t wan´t not pick from any French 2nd league, unless the team is finishing 15th or 16th, and I´d like a Scottish 1st league top five, and a Cyprus ...

Horrible administration work. And all the scouting that has to be done to make a pick worth anything ...

Perpete:

YADA YADA YADA
An useless pick, for me a pick without information is useless, could not be worth more than 10.000$. Not useful bargain on the TL...

So for you (if we will believe you) it is worth not more than 10K.
Now read carefully the word marked above...

Last edited by Pini פיני at 1/9/2012 4:17:19 PM

And don´t forget that it makes auctions ALOT more complicated, as the accepting team has to tell / judge on the offer, instead of just "highest bid wins". I don´t wan´t not pick from any French 2nd league, unless the team is finishing 15th or 16th, and I´d like a Scottish 1st league top five, and a Cyprus ...

Horrible administration work. And all the scouting that has to be done to make a pick worth anything ...

You don't need to use it and it is not that it is so amazing that the higher division's teams, that are not really training draft players, will not use it.

The draft potential is the same for all countries. There is no different between different league picks.
The value of draft picks is calculated in the bid value.
Whoever take this option is taking the chance and risk with it.

Teams from the lower divisions (and some from the higher once) will.

So if I don´t use it, trading won´t get more complicated for me?

That´s plainly wrong, if I sell a player, I have to cope with it. How do you want to judge an offer at the transfer deadline?

1) I´m selling.
2) I´m not online at the trade deadline.
3) Multiple users offereing their picks, one offering money straight up.

-> How to judge?

How will the system judge MY own system of valuing the picks?

In addition:

Any new team crooked by one of those draft pick trades is more likely to leave the game and quit, feeling tricked and betrayed by the experienced users. "Oh, great, I get a new draft pick - NBA teams are doing this, so it has to be good !" - and then on draftday, they have a hand fulll of 19 year old benchwarmers and no team at all. Bye bye Buzzerbeater.

Before you rode that realism horse, you talked about "user friendly". Now how is an unnecessary change for the more complicated and less realistic system any of (1) more realistic (2) user friendly or (3) for the sake and the attraction of the game?