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man, i don't get this thread.

BB King explained the financial aspects by using very realistic calculation. other counter arguments are taken to the extreme(merchandise, fan's attendace,etc)

also, Wolph, please take into account the lack of support for your theory whine about something else, such as lack of national players on the div I rosters, or small signing bonuses for developing BB countries.

long term the benefits of playing in a micro-nation super-seed the disadvantages. i played in Romania div I in the second season in my country and didn't know about Buzzerbeaters best. sadly i quit because ratings and skills were low in all BB and the game was less appealing

lack of knowledge of the game will make you waste money or potential to make money. and those things will be adverted if you truly want to play and succeed.

i think BB-staff want to attract new users and commit a lot of resources to make this game a pleasant experience, but they cannot guarantee success to everyone. and regarding discrimination. only in BB Best, U21 and NT you compete with other countries.

I know the message gets lost but the problem is still real. It is always better if the first experience is a winning one and that can best be served by starting in the lowest division in the country. One of the problems with micronations is that there is a huge salary gap between the top division and the others. In India, our top salaries are about 800k while a Div. II salary may be 100k with an appropriate arena. It rapidly discourages people.

what you said are all true, i also respect and like the answer of the two polska people BB king and pewu...very smart people answered the issue of the foreigner from japan with supporting data and showing that issues raise by this foreigner that live in japan, what is his name wolfe?....as something any player from any nation or country experience. no discrimination here, those that lose and quit didn't try to play hard enough, or they didn't bother enough to analyse the game, learned from others or read the guide and forums to win. a true player will naturally lose a lot in his first season and he accept this with respect to others that are playing this game longer than he had. he will also accept that he will make mistakes....but the good thing is he will learn from this mistakes and it will make him a better player.

Man think about what you are telling me. It's called rich problems. It seems 2-3 millions profit in 1st season is too less for you, while about 70% new users (about 70% user plays in just 15 countries) has problems with even make any profit. You showed me teams managed by managers which I think don't care about that game. 2 of them were logged last time 2 weeks ago. It means they didn't read articles on forum or maybe even game manual. Why I should I care about weak managers? If they can't count and manage their teams, they will bankrupt even in 7th division.

total cost just under 4million spent...so far (and he still needs to spend another 1.5 million or so to full size IMO)

That's the best part. You are sad, because he doesn't have full size arena? After 2,5 half season? It's ridiculous. It's mine 12 season and I still have no chance to have full arena. There are much more managers who plays 10+ seasons and still have no 20k+ arena. We don't have such a money to expand arena and stay competitive.

God bless, you are not playing in such a leagues as: polish, spanish, german, italian, american etc. Then you will wrote twice much posts about...macronation discrimination :)

BTW, If you start in D1 there is no way to go bankrupt even if you pay salary floor and lose every match. Another count:

Salaries: 342 000$ (190 000$ *1,8)
Staff: 45 000 $ (let's say he trains someone)
Scouting: 0 $

Arena: 131 500$ (maximum prices and maximum attendance)
Merchandise: 45 000$ (seems proper, but could be even higher. I had in D2 60k merch even with salaries under salary floor)
TV: 190 000$ (is that current TV contract?)

Profit: (190 000 + 45 000 - 45 000) * 14 + 131 500 * 11 - 342 000 * 12 = 16 500$ + bonus for newcomers

14 weeks - all season
12 salaries - you don't pay salaries if you don't play PO or relegation matches
11 matches in regular season

can this thread be closed. we seem to be going nowhere.

the hypothesis is partly right, there is discrimination. but i think you're overstating it.

what you want is positive discrimination. negative discrimination consists of applying different action when 2 situations are identical similar. you want the same benefit applied to different situations. meaning div I(such as all div I teams in the world, meaning TV revenue and merchandise) profits while maintaining div 4-5 salaries(averages for advanced countries) while not being forced to spend, because competition is weak for the moment

seeing that the salary floor does not affect competitive balance(©David Stern) in YOUR country, other factors being to blame, what are we still debating....

His arena at max prices did NOT sell out. His incomewas around 360k a week

He has wrong proportion between different seats and he set wrong ticket prices.
You showed example of manager who set maximal prices and even didn't think about reduction.
By using the same arena but better ticket prices he should have 30-40k more attendance or something like that.
By using the same amount of cash used to expand arena but with better proportion between seats he should have next 20-30k more attendace.

Then he made 200k a week. That is about 2 million ,considering weeks paid salary but no homegame.

And these 2 milion is gained by weak manager who has no knowledge about BuzzerBeater, but he has luck to play in small country and start in high division. Meanwhile good and smart manager with good knowledge in 5th division can't gain even 200k per season.

He will hit 16 weeks soon. I'll let you do the math. He actually started in II.1. Look at what he has been earning on his arena. You do the math how much he has made. now you jump this team into JBBL and tell me what his finances look like after 16 week grace period

It looks like big day for BuzzerBeater! Wolph discovered that teams in 2nd division gain less money than teams in 1st division. I tell you more. Team in 3rd div gains less than team in 2nd div, team in 4th div gains less tahn team in 3rd div, etc. And therefore it's better to play in small country, because you start in higher division.

Second thing. After promotion to 1st division team gains 1M prize. It's enough to build for example 5000 bleachers or whole sector with luxury boxes or whole with courside seats.