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I disagree with you, too. There is no reason a Shawn Bradley should have any advantage against a Dwayne Wade. Train your Bradley to a Shaq, and you'll see your effects. Don't train him, and watch him get blocked by Nate Robinsons and get dunked in the face by Rudy Fernadez.

That's as easy as it is...

Yeah I agree. It is a skill thing.

Rebounding isn't about height and jump. Otherwise Dennis Rodman wouldn't have been as amazing as he was. The game doesn't have stats for jump, athleticism etc..

I like the current system.

Oh and about Barkley who can keep up with his height. He was listed at 6'10" in his rookie year.

OMG I know height affects training im just saying thats it should also have a natural effect in a game.Like a 5k salary C 7'1 vs a 5k salary C 5'11 , the 7'1 could get a little edge . Can you get that through your thick skull?

in this case i like to say, that big guys shouldn't have an training advantage anymore, and in the end the efect is the same with the difference that you can't see who is the strongest anymore ;)

Now you could watch after a prominent rebounder on the transferlist, and if you buy him he is prominent.

Edit: and won't you think, the 7"3 guys should get an higher salary, when he brings more effort? So you had to change alot to fit it to your sufggestion, and in the end the 5k$ 5"11 eleven center is still as good as the 7 footer, but he has higher skills which makes player hard to compare.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 4/27/2009 4:20:20 AM

I think the difference here is the level of play. Try to look at some games from Div 1 teams and you will rarely see 5+ foot centers (If there are). This is because usually the players have skills in around sensational - legendary and it is not efficient to train a short player in center skills up to those levels. I believe this is the difference that we see in leagues like NBA and others.

Height should impact the game somewhat. I'm not saying it should be a major factor, I'm saying it should have some kind of impact. A lot of you guys are using extreme examples. Dwade having more blocks, Barkley being an effective small rebounder. Shawn Bradley being a terrible 7 footer.

Here is the deal. Two evenly skilled players, one is 5'11 and one is 7 ft. Who should win that rebound battle when they are matchup up against each other? The 7 footer. Rondo is a good rebounding guard, but he gets most of his rebounds away from the rim. Imagine him trying to guard a 7 footer? He'd get smoked. Of course one factor we cant see is where the rebounds are going.

Using this same example, the 7 footer would have a much easier time scoring down low and therefore should get a bump. Likewise the 5'11 guy would struggle mightily in the post. Now if the 5'11 guy took him away from the rim, sure the 5'11 guy would have an advantage and would get a bump there. It just makes sense.

As far as these extreme examples, yes Bradley isnt a good defender, BUT he is really tall and long and would impact shots of a guy like Dwade. He would also have an easier time rebounding than those guys who are 6 inches shorter.

DWade gets most of his blocks coming from behind a guy or as a secondary defender, big men get more blocks being the primary defender, so numbers dont tell the whole story.

Barkley was a great rebounder. BUT you put him up against a long guy like Pau Gasol he would be less effective. Put him up against a smaller guy and Barkley kills the guy. Not saying he cant out rebound Gasol, I'm saying Gasol would impact Barkley's effectiveness.

I havent played this game that long, but it seems to me the the BB crew is working more things in little by little. This latest revision of the scrimmage game engine makes good changes. Eventually I would expect that they address the height issue at some point.

Sorry but all NBA or pro examples are null IMO, Div IV game is equivalent to YMCA pick me up skill level basketball. The height problem is a completely nonissue from Div. III up. Also Pau did terrible rebounding against Boozer, a much smaller big.

Here is the deal. Two evenly skilled players, one is 5'11 and one is 7 ft. Who should win that rebound battle when they are matchup up against each other? The 7 footer. Rondo is a good rebounding guard, but he gets most of his rebounds away from the rim. Imagine him trying to guard a 7 footer? He'd get smoked. Of course one factor we cant see is where the rebounds are going.

but the smaller guy have trained a lot more to reach the level, right?

When height matters, they should make the training the same ... And when they do it, players height should be influenced the salary.

And must important you can not compare players anymore, maybe you are looking today for a prominent rebounder so you go on the transferlist and put rebounding prominent in the mask et voila you found 50 guys you like to have. With height matters, you look for strong rebounding from a 7"3 guy, or profient rebounding from 7"1, or tremendous rebounding from 5"11.

Would this make the world a better place? i would say clearly no.

After the first big guy training height matters, and when it comes to making the players it also matters because small guys get more likely good guard skills, and big guys big man skills it gives some small guys who could compete in low level with big guys in the frontcourt(and the opposite way), but as higher the competition get the less player like this exist.
And i am not a small guy, and i am not very talented on court they are smaller guys who could out rebound me who didn't play a lot, and they are even some bigger guys who have a bad motorious ability whio i out rebound ;) And on free court i see that often that smaller guys dominate in the near of the basket and you are talking about this level of competition.

Exaclty what i was saying.

you really don't see a 5,10 center who is legendary in rebounds

Dear Alex,

I don't know how much you know about Basketball and rebounding, but again, height is not the major factor in rebounding skill! If a Dwayne Wade is able to box out and bump away a Shawn Bradley away from the rim, he will take 5 out of 6 rebounds in a match up against him. To Rebound correctly you need Orientation, Reaction, Stability, and Skills like Boxing out, Bumping, Jumping, Catching, Landing.

And if two equally skilled players meet each other, again, height is not the mmajor factor, as all the skills mentioned above will be the same on both players, so therefore it would be a 50/50 chance who gets the rebound. But I can not imagine two players being EXACTLY EQUALLY SKILLED in all areas, so there must be something that favoured the smaller guy to take more rebounds than the big guy.

PS: Pau Gasol is a very skilled player. I don't see the comparison to Charles Barkley, because Pau Gasol is a great and intelligent player. Of course Barkley would be less effective against Pau Gasol, but not because of the height of Gasol, but because of his SKILLS.

I agree with your rebounding assessment, however I never said it should be a major factor, I simply said there should be some kind of factor, a small bump up perhaps for the taller guy depending on size differential. I used the Example of Pau vs Barkley and Barkley vs a similar sized guy as an example of how height can impact rebounding. Again I am not saying that height is a major factor or that it should be a major factor in BB, I'm saying there should be some kind of adjustment when there is a substantial height differential.

Maybe this is a better example is this: a 7 footer has strong rebounding and a 6'4 has prolific rebounding. Perhaps the 7 footer should get .25-.5 level bump up and/or the smaller guy get a .25.-5 bump down when battling each other for rebounds. The bigger the difference the bigger the bump should be, but it should never be a major factor, I'm talking small adjustments. And again only when battling each other.

Jason Kidd is a great rebounding guard, but he isnt battling bigs most of the time, he's finding open spots and fighting for boards with guards and small forwards mostly. So again this is so you cant put a guy like Kidd at center and match him up with Yao and have Kidd abuse Yao on the boards when matched up against each other. That just doesnt make sense to me.

No system is going to be perfect, just putting in my two cents to make the game better.