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254079.200 in reply to 254079.4
Date: 1/13/2014 6:32:59 AM
BC Pirut
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It`s not an advantage because we don´t get anything from it. It is usefull only to try different tactics! So I think it is rubbish because we don´t get any practicetime for our players... Second would nice and more even then if you can get practicetime to youngsters!

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254079.201 in reply to 254079.199
Date: 1/13/2014 6:40:01 AM
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@ Steve Karenn, and you're not a Supporter right? I rest my case...

So what? This doesn't change anything about cheating issue. And yes, cheating yet exist, and secondary team will only amplify this pheonomenon, so instead of compaining with non-supporters for not agreeing with you and BB for such an awful idea, you can help with some solutions for that issue to make then eventually acceptable to introduce a secondary team

And waste potentially U21 players is a non-existing issue with introducing secondary teams; if anything micronations are only favoured by this feature. Having doubled teams in these nations means that even if some sabotage would eventually happen, the overall player pool available for these nations every season with the draft will drastically increase, since the guys that actually goes to bots team become available, included guys with high potential that were previosly lost forever...and if secondary teams are any kind of serious, likely the players with the highest potential would just be trained better because people can make tons of money from them of what it's actually done, meaning that the level of the NT of the secondary team nation would only increase

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254079.202 in reply to 254079.200
Date: 1/13/2014 6:41:49 AM
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This is just ridiculous. There are other things that need fix.

For example:
The trainning method is broken...

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254079.203 in reply to 254079.1
Date: 1/13/2014 6:45:51 AM
BC Pirut
II.3
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YESYES!!!! It would be nice if this second team is actually "developteam" for younger players from first team, and in some point you could transfer him to first team? For free ofcourse

Last edited by Sir Hellman at 1/13/2014 6:46:42 AM

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254079.204 in reply to 254079.201
Date: 1/13/2014 6:53:59 AM
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Much more interesting and realistic idea personaly for me is to follow nba scheme, where for example Houston Rockets got they "youth" "weak" team in D-league. I don't think how about you guys, but you jusu think about it. You growing youth players and when they are strong enough you can transfer them to your primary team, that's more realistic. And other what i can say: "if secondary team won't extend supporter when it's over, team will gone' oh gosh are you seriuos? That's money making way for game owners, but not advantage for players. I promise to myself that i will buy supporter for a couple a years. But don't make a bad decisions in this feature. Otherway bad thing is that you can stole draft picks. And nobody want's to welcome foreign player to their countries. I think you need Marin to make some corrections/changes ant then run poll. Then i will for sure with this idea. :)

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254079.205 in reply to 254079.193
Date: 1/13/2014 6:54:24 AM
TrenseRI
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First of all, I have to thank everyone who voted and/or contributed to the discussion. We are learning as we go and from this initiative, we have already learnt a lot.

On the other hand, I have a couple of remarks. Seems like some users voted and posted their opinions before they even read the initial post. This is somewhat a disappointment, but I guess an expected one. We cannot force everyone to read each post, but reading the initial one should be a prerequisite for contribution.

Furthermore, some users seem to lose focus and try to push other unrelated suggestions or comments here, while others tend to be a little rude. I would like to politely ask everyone to keep on topic and keep their cool. This is a thread intended to improve the game, but we can only do it if we keep the discussion civil and efficient.

I cannot answer most of the questions raised here, nor is that the intention of the thread. It's intention is to provide us, the BBs, with some answers and it's doing that nicely. We now have a better picture about the possible flaws and solutions for the idea, even though the main question (should we develop it at all) is still far from getting a definite answer.

However, there are two prevailing alternate ideas that seem to dominate the discussion so I believe it's only fair to address them both:
1. Utopia league: While this would address some of the problems, it would also raise others, while not helping with some of the issues that the initial suggestion takes care of. It's a valid proposition and should be considered in the conclusion.
2. A new BB server: This really has nothing to do with the second team idea as suggested. This solution proposes a new BB universe, unrelated to BB as we know it, while we're trying to find ideas for this one. Therefore, this is also considered but only as a completely separate suggestion.

I should point out another thing: most people seem to see this idea as a way of "saving" BB, some desperate attempt to keep it afloat financially. This is just not true. While we would love to grow, both in user numbers and income, we are not going to close up shop anytime soon. On a contrary, I personally believe there are many years (not just BB seasons) ahead of us, regardless of the implementation of the 2nd team idea. We will continue to develop the game during that time, and you never know, we might even pull a couple of nice surprises which could turn things around for us. I'm an optimist and I think that the positive response to our work that surfaced in the community lately can translate into good times for BB in the future.

Why then do we insist on keeping the 2nd team idea a Supporter feature? Well, as redcped already stated: "People with investments in the game are much less likely to cheat, because they have something much more to lose if they get caught.". This is the key that keeps people from cheating: personal investments and responsibility, and that's why we initially decided that we need to make this a Supporter feature. Of course, we are not denying that the extra income wouldn't be a nice addition. This also means we'd even consider allowing users to buy this feature without the Supporter package (the details don't have to be decided right away, even though it would be cheaper than buying Supporter, of course).

There are other specifics we can change about the idea, as I stated in the initial post, so please, don't let any one of them sway you from voting one way or another, as your vote should represent the general support for the idea even though if you don't like all of the mentioned rules and restrictions. We can work on those, and this discussion is aimed at doing exactly that.

The response to the initiative is a very pleasant surprise, almost overwhelmingly so. Whatever the outcome, I believe the goal to get the community more involved in the developmental decision process has been a big success. Thank you all for reading and contributing!

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254079.206 in reply to 254079.200
Date: 1/13/2014 6:54:27 AM
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It`s not an advantage because we don´t get anything from it. It is usefull only to try different tactics! So I think it is rubbish because we don´t get any practicetime for our players... Second would nice and more even then if you can get practicetime to youngsters!

With 2nd team feature BB will get more supporters --> more money --> more development power --> better game for everyone and not just supporters.

So this feature could have a very positive impact on BB - basically we're paying for something it might provide also non-payers like YOU with a better game - yet you are complaining. How can you be so short-sighted?

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254079.208 in reply to 254079.207
Date: 1/13/2014 7:00:12 AM
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this is laughable. BB "gives" us something, just so they can make sure users don't stop paying supporter fees.

Last edited by thylacine at 1/13/2014 8:21:48 AM

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254079.209 in reply to 254079.205
Date: 1/13/2014 7:03:47 AM
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Why then do we insist on keeping the 2nd team idea a Supporter feature? Well, as redcped already stated: "People with investments in the game are much less likely to cheat, because they have something much more to lose if they get caught.". This is the key that keeps people from cheating: personal investments and responsibility, and that's why we initially decided that we need to make this a Supporter feature. Of course, we are not denying that the extra income wouldn't be a nice addition. This also means we'd even consider allowing users to buy this feature without the Supporter package (the details don't have to be decided right away, even though it would be cheaper than buying Supporter, of course).

Sorry Marin, where do you get this idea from? There are a lot of people that like to buy stuff on online games and then cheat when they have to play online games(think about what happen in a ton of fps games and multiplayer battle games around the web)
Spend money on a game =/= People that are much less likely to cheat. Just to clarify that

The fact that you BBs opened the poll to involve the whole community is a great thing, imho

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254079.210 in reply to 254079.203
Date: 1/13/2014 7:04:19 AM
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Reading what people are saying i think there are not many knowlege about economy...
Second team will be bad to get new users, a new user will see how compete against good and experience managers, and leave the game... The income in a net game are supporter but also banners... the banners pay about traffic... less users, more teams and more supporters... Just get a closed game, just for a few long time managers... is really this the game we want??? Or we are just thinking in the pros for ourselves??

Also, this second team, open the door against fair play... many posibilitis to scammers.

When you need to make a lot of loyal rules, it means that something is wrong about it.

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