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From: GM-hrudey

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232173.205 in reply to 232173.203
Date: 2/28/2013 1:29:29 PM
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Build bigs with good outside game and ID/RB/SB high and then buy good LI guards and you'd have a team so cheap you could get in a lot of depth in your team and even a bit more primary skills on all players and still have a lower salary then many LI teams. If you make sure to have good PA on all the players i think you could do real well.


Well, but you and I both know that it'll only be valued once someone wins with that, and who among B3 particpants is going to forego six or seven seasons of being highly competitive for world hono(u)rs to take the time to build two or three such big men? They certainly aren't heavily represented on the TL, so this is something one has to do personally and when given the alternative of just buying more of the same cookies on the TL, nobody's going to take the risk of baking a cake.

Really, though, it's our fault as a userbase. If the game world was full of people training defensive big men such as you propose and outside shooting guards, the teams that are winning the titles now would be playing those offenses instead, because that's what they could get on the TL.

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232173.206 in reply to 232173.202
Date: 2/28/2013 1:34:39 PM
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In another return to the topic, I think but am not certain that the game manual used to specify that the "and one" defender on the box and one tactics was the best defender of that type, but now it simply says the fifth defender. Is there any consideration being given to revealing how the "and one" defender is being selected or allowing the user to select this individually?

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Date: 2/28/2013 1:52:20 PM
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Let's just say that for assisted shots, they added a change that said "Defender X attempted to rotate over but was too late" or something to indicate that a shotblocking opportunity had been missed, maybe one that he would have been able to stop with a few more levels of SB skill. Imagine further that this happened, maybe, 10 times per game. Obviously, without adjusting the actual balance of the engine one iota, suddenly SB would be much more highly valued and perhaps achieve the desired effect with minimal change.


This would change the whole way we see the game without changing the actual Game Engine.

From: Koperboy

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232173.209 in reply to 232173.203
Date: 2/28/2013 2:17:33 PM
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Everyone that is building for LI is saying how cheap it is to build a team for it and that SB only is expensive. But perhaps they need to look another time on what actually is expensive.


There is one simple truth that many don't understand: You can't play Look inside on the highest level and defend Look inside on the same level.

You can have a big with either:

- 20 IS, 20 ID, 20 RB and 5 SB (Brilliant LI offense, poor LI defense)

- 5 IS, 20 ID, 20 RB and 20 SB (Poor LI offense, brilliant LI defense)

- 14 IS, 14 ID, 14 RB and 14 SB (Decent LI offense, decent LI defense)

First one can play LI, but can't stop it.
Second one can defend LI, but can't play it.
Third can defend and play LI, but not on the highest level.

People complained because they couldn't put 15 SB on first player because of salary concerns.

Of course you can't do it! You want to have Shaq (offense), Howard (defense), Rodman/Love (Rebounding) and Ibaka/Mutombo (SB) all in one player. You just can't!

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Date: 2/28/2013 2:46:20 PM
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Is there any consideration being given to revealing how the "and one" defender is being selected

Marin already revealed it. It was a little bit tricky to find out because he wrote alot around the acctual topic, but search and you will find it

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Date: 2/28/2013 2:49:47 PM
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Do you have a link? It would be a pain in the ass to search through all of Marin posts...he posts a lot

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232173.213 in reply to 232173.202
Date: 2/28/2013 5:04:51 PM
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Apparently the majority of the managers doesn't feel a skill like SB is cost effective enough to train. So where does this assumption come from? Is SB itself a problem, are there not enough altered shots? Is it the way SB effects are displayed? Is it because many consider SB a secondary skill and then they feel it has become too far behind to have value to train it? Is it because the salary effects are too high?

I think, the assumption that SB is not cost effective comes from both match viewer and boxscore. During a match you rarely see a comment like "Blocked". Most teams rather regularly have 0 blocks in a game, having more than 10 usually only happens if your opponent gives away the game.

If you don't see that blocking actually happens, you don't train it. But if you don't train it - you won't have a lot of blocks. It's some kind of vicious circle.

There is one tag in match events that looks like this: player comes over and alters his shot. Does this mean, he is using his blocking skill? It's not always counted as a block. If he's using his blocking skill, I'd try to make it clear in the translation.

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232173.214 in reply to 232173.206
Date: 2/28/2013 5:35:55 PM
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We're planning to reveal some more information about the other tactics indeed, as many in this topics have called for a somewhat better explanation of the tactics (especially the newer ones).

LA-Karangula, yes whenever the matchviewer reports an altered shot this indicates the shot blocking skill is used to decrease the percentage of the shot.

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Date: 2/28/2013 5:37:19 PM
Woodbridge Wreckers
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Just throwing something out here, but maybe ID is to prevent the opponent from shooting, and SB is to stop him once he gets his shot. Most LI guards have very high DR, and a little less IS; maybe it's more effective to stop them once they shoot (SB of C vs IS of guard) then trying to prevent the shots (ID of guard vs DR of guard).
Even when playing M2M defense, bigs will rotate over to block/alter shots. I think with high SB this happens more often, and even if they don't actually block the shot, they can alter it so they miss. You won't see that in the boxscore though.

Maybe it's worthwhile to have 1 purely defensive C, like you usually have in the NBA, that only scorse from putbacks/tips. You can have high ID/RB/SB on him with some passing, while your PF does have high IS. That way you'll have a big that can defend the paint against everyone, and also have a big you can run your offense through in your PF.

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