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I think seeing different efforts in game are vital for understanding results in general. We win nothing with hideing them. TIE-TIE deals are not a problem in this game (have never offered one or received an offer myself). Why would I ever suggest such a think knowing I lose (giving my rival enthusiasm boost). I would play tie anyway + with chances of winning I would go normal. Better yet I might offer one when I have a chance of winning the league and then just play normal!

I have things to lose.
I will find it harder to interpret the results, and I will find it way harder to try and guess the ent of my next opponent and plan accordingly.
And even now, when you look at opponents matches, you don't always see the effort put in

I think seeing different efforts in game are vital for understanding results in general. We win nothing with hideing them. TIE-TIE deals are not a problem in this game (have never offered one or received an offer myself). Why would I ever suggest such a think knowing I lose (giving my rival enthusiasm boost). I would play tie anyway + with chances of winning I would go normal. Better yet I might offer one when I have a chance of winning the league and then just play normal!

Heh... why would you waste your enthusiasm and play NORMAL and your opponent too when both of you can set TIE and be stronger next match? Heh... I see that you are never played first division and that IS important, because in lower division you can play TIE whole season easily... in top division enthusiasm is one that win games.

GM-Kivan

I have things to lose.
I will find it harder to interpret the results, and I will find it way harder to try and guess the ent of my next opponent and plan accordingly.
And even now, when you look at opponents matches, you don't always see the effort put in

That "harder" will make game more interesting. You will not be able to know what your opponent played. Only tactic, only you, only your team... why you need to know what opponent coach tell them in back-room? (or how to say "svlacionica")
In my league almost all matches I know what they played. We know each others for a years and every game I could guess what someone will played. Things that I hate the most, is that some teams play TIE-TIE for 8 seasons every their game! Is that normal?

but if they have been doing that for 8 years, they will continue even if you remove the line saying who played what, since they've know each other for years and trust each other
it won't change anything for you at the moment

I think seeing different efforts in game are vital for understanding results in general. We win nothing with hideing them. TIE-TIE deals are not a problem in this game (have never offered one or received an offer myself). Why would I ever suggest such a think knowing I lose (giving my rival enthusiasm boost). I would play tie anyway + with chances of winning I would go normal. Better yet I might offer one when I have a chance of winning the league and then just play normal!

Heh... why would you waste your enthusiasm and play NORMAL and your opponent too when both of you can set TIE and be stronger next match? Heh... I see that you are never played first division and that IS important, because in lower division you can play TIE whole season easily... in top division enthusiasm is one that win games.

It depends from many reasons,HCA home court,game shape of the player,defferent leve of enthusiasm,different schedules of the two team.I can think that i Can beat the other team and to not respect the TIE-TIE agrrement,or i can find that maybe it would be better to play normal-normal for the point difference and so on...
I know that TIE-TIE agrrement exists,but as for the not sold player tax,I don't think that to solve a problem for few managers,you should made the situation worse for all the users

It depends from many reasons,HCA home court,game shape of the player,defferent leve of enthusiasm,different schedules of the two team.I can think that i Can beat the other team and to not respect the TIE-TIE agrrement,or i can find that maybe it would be better to play normal-normal for the point difference and so on...
I know that TIE-TIE agrrement exists,but as for the not sold player tax,I don't think that to solve a problem for few managers,you should made the situation worse for all the users

The main advantage od TIE-TIE is even if you lose, you will have ent boost. This problem is frequent in top level leagues. Imagine that all teams, or at least 70% of them have similar teams. And if they lose a game, and lose ent. there will be at big disadvantage.

That problem, that TIE-TIE arrangement, is already fixed on HT with absolutely same solution. I wrote that already.

@GM-Kivan:

but if they have been doing that for 8 years, they will continue even if you remove the line saying who played what, since they've know each other for years and trust each other
it won't change anything for you at the moment

Yes, that's probably the true. But this will prevent another players to do that next 8 seasons!!!!

Comon stop looking for conspiracys. This problem is not frequent in top level leagues.
Your suggestion will not prevent anything. If two people (friends) want to agree to TIE-TIE they will still play it. T-T arrengement will die when one team wins both home and away that one season and the other team get's near to relegation because of that. That arrengement becomes obsolete at that point and will be broken by losing team playing normal.
I don't know about HT and their system, but from what I have heard BB is a lot more challenging and complex.
As we have stated already seeing effort info is VITAL for understanding the results.

I don't think that a massive amount of TIE-TIE arrangement would never be realized deliberately.This kind of situation could be easily used by someone,that broken the equilibria created by TIE-TIE agreement,will take advantage of them and will broke a general use of it
In the main leagues,TIE-TIE agreements are more like a "consent by silent",often the away team think to lose in every case,so they decided to use TIE for having a boost also loosing the game,as you right stated.The home team,knowing that,will play TIE,thinkiing that also if away team plays normal,they have good chances to win.So,you'll have a TIE-TIE game,without an explicit agreement.But I don't think you can say nothing against these teams who made these choices,because they made it for their strategy,not to take an advantage over the other managers

TIE-TIE explicit agreements,would be always be in the game,but with the presence of rivalries,TV matches,and the fact the various teams of the same league could have very different cup pathways,that condition the strategies of the varoius teams during all the seasaon(to gain money and don't lose fans),the massive situation of TIE-TIE is difiicult to maintain for a long period of time

Remove enthusiasm indications could also be negative for that,because if you check that someone will not respect the agreements,you will do it with less frequency,or you will stop using them,and you will favour only the mangers who have close friends in the same league,who can use TIE-TIE agreements without worry about them,while the other managers would be disadvantaged from the fact that they would not use it,as some managers can made

I prefer the actual system by far

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 4/27/2010 3:21:25 PM

ht solved nothing as i explained to you because in HT the "tie" affect ratings, so the games stays understandable and the TIE deals still are very controllable ;)

Maybe you could say that the ratings here are already often misleading, but i think this is a problem they should fix not make it even worse. Because i like games where i can understand what have happened.

This problem is only in top level division (90%, other divisions much lower because there is no need for that). You don't play top level league, so I cant explain you. And even if you play your country top level league is low quality and there is big difference between teams. You need to wait few more seasons that all teams become stronger, and then you will find need for TIE-TIE.

I don't have anything more to add. Because I don't see the point of that anymore.

I don't think most people play TIE-TIE in top leagues because they make an agreement, but they play TIE because they know they need a high ent in order to achieve something in the season, especially if they use reserves in the cup