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From: Bigcatjc

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187125.21 in reply to 187125.18
Date: 6/15/2011 10:52:19 AM
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That C was nothing more than a SF playing C in a throw away game.

Like it or not, it is clearly the most limited offense in the game. Absolutely terrible balance. The offense makes the PF and C completely useless unless they are jump shooters.

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187125.22 in reply to 187125.21
Date: 6/15/2011 11:12:23 AM
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I both agree and disagree. I agree that it's a limited offense but it has it's uses. If you have a balanced team and you see that your opponent is going to start 1 or 2 players clearly weaker than the rest, it's a good way to exploit one of those matchups.

I won a cup game against a much stronger team a couple of weeks back by doing exactly this. I saw that he was going to start a couple of weak players along with his stars so I ran patient and completely dominated one of those matchups.

From: Bigcatjc

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187125.24 in reply to 187125.23
Date: 6/15/2011 4:55:51 PM
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And yet Patient is labeled by the game manual as a neutral offense, which is incredibly misleading.

So really, the game has 4 outside offenses, 2 inside, and 2 neutral. And then whatever those goddawful isolation offenses achieve, which I hear is close to nothing, similar to the box and 1 defenses which are probably the worst defenses in the game including full court press.

From: Bigcatjc

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187125.26 in reply to 187125.25
Date: 6/15/2011 7:06:59 PM
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Or maybe I'm just a realist. Maybe if constantly hearing things from top B3 and NT managers, and actually playing AGAINST these tactics and seeing their utter uselessness, I can acknowledge that they are in fact, useless.

If I'm going to use something on this game, it'd better be something that is established and well renowned and universally conducive to winning games. Not just doing something because no one else does it. Literally the virtual browser game equivalent of hipsters.

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187125.27 in reply to 187125.26
Date: 6/15/2011 7:34:53 PM
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It may be useless to you but it certainly isn't for every other manager out there. Every tactic has its advantages and disadvantages and requires specific types of players to play it successfully.

If you don't have the offensive flow to pull off patient without taking a lot of bad/rushed outside shots then it is clearly a problem with your team not having the right players to play it rather than the tactic itself being useless.

There have been plenty of examples already given that patient can work when used correctly.

From: pmfg10

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187125.28 in reply to 187125.26
Date: 6/15/2011 7:54:23 PM
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I think that you're the useless one here.

From: Bigcatjc

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187125.30 in reply to 187125.29
Date: 6/15/2011 8:52:44 PM
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And it what case is Run and Gun not a better option, outside of, like you said, protecting trainees?

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